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Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
Marty Martin
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Date: April 07, 2014 10:17AM
This has probably already been covered a bunch, but what does the AmTac Microwave setup gain me over NGC? The principle seems very similar. To add to the question, is there more of an advantage for mono than for braid? Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
bill boettcher
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Date: April 07, 2014 10:32AM Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
Tom Kirkman
(Moderator)
Date: April 07, 2014 10:38AM
It won't gain you much if any distance. It might obtain a rod that balances a bit further back towards the butt or even weighs a tad bit less overall. It's probably quicker to set up, although the standard NGC doesn't exactly take a long time. I think overall the two systems are almost a dead even match in terms of practical results, but the MicroWave might be more "automatic" if that makes any sense to you.
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Posted by:
bill boettcher
(---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: April 07, 2014 10:41AM
There is also a microwave review father down Check it out Bill - willierods.com Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
Joe Vanfossen
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Date: April 07, 2014 10:45AM
A single reduction train layout that covers a much broader range of reel sizes and line types and diameters.
Joe Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
bill boettcher
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Date: April 07, 2014 11:10AM
Joe
I am understanding that the Set has a 30 butt guide ring and the Castaway has a 20 ?? Bill - willierods.com Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
Todd R. Vivian
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Date: April 07, 2014 11:17AM
Bill,
It's just the opposite. The castaway version is a 30/8 combination where the ATC version has a 20/5 setup. Todd Regards, Todd Vivian Mud Hole Custom Tackle todd@mudhole.com Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
bill boettcher
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Date: April 07, 2014 11:43AM
Thanks for correcting me Had it backwards
So I can take it the set with 20/5 will work well on a 500 reel with 4 LB braid ??? Bill - willierods.com Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
Don Morse
(---.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com)
Date: April 07, 2014 11:45AM
Like a funnel, the MicroWave "stripper" guide takes the gyrating line and straightens it before entering the second guide (transition guide), The MicroWave guide does in one guide what it takes the NGC four or more guides to do. ______________________________________ Super Tight Lines......Don Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
Don Morse
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Date: April 07, 2014 11:45AM
Bill....the ATC (20/5) is perfect for your set-up. ______________________________________ Super Tight Lines......Don Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
bill boettcher
(---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: April 07, 2014 12:01PM
Thanks Don
It is just that the guides used in the set Got to be heaver then minama 5 or 4's I don't need more guides in my stach It is building up Bill - willierods.com Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
Don Morse
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Date: April 07, 2014 12:52PM
Bill.... the 5mm running guides in the ATC MicroWave set are lighter than the 5mm minima ______________________________________ Super Tight Lines......Don Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
Garry Thornton
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Date: April 07, 2014 01:24PM
As Joe pointed out, "A single reduction train layout that covers a much broader range of reel sizes and line types and diameters. "
This is the key for me, you don't have to dedicate one reel to the micro wave rod. You can be seeking Crappie today with a size 500 reel and Bass tomorrow with a size 2500 and you know that the rod will perform equally as well. Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
bill boettcher
(---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: April 07, 2014 01:34PM
With that 4 LB braid and the same reel I have caught 4 LB bass Just in how ya fish the big ones Carefully
Yet I do understand about the same guide and different reels thing Bill - willierods.com Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
Ken Finch
(204.45.134.---)
Date: April 07, 2014 02:29PM
Don Morse Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Bill.... the 5mm running guides in the ATC > MicroWave set are lighter than the 5mm minima By my weighing I find the standard 5mm Minima to come in at .1 gram, and the 5mm ATC to come in at .23 grams. Is there a lighter ATC 5mm out there now? Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
Don Morse
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Date: April 07, 2014 02:36PM
I do not have a minima to weigh but PacBay says the XSV4XG05 weighs .156 grams and the XF4XG05 weighs .149 grams...... the nanolite MW runner comes in at .123 grams. That is the stainless steel frame. You can go even lighter by going with the TidalWave set, that 5mm guides weighs only .089 grams according to my scale. ______________________________________ Super Tight Lines......Don Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2014 02:41PM by Don Morse. Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
Michael Danek
(50.105.80.---)
Date: April 07, 2014 06:01PM
Some posters are writing as if the NGC system is critical to reel design. It is optimized relative to reel design, but works well with all practical reels, so well you will have a hard time seeing differences. IMHO, what should be compared to the Microwave is the Fuji KLH system, which in two or at most three reduction guides does the same thing that the Microwave does in two. It is optimized for the reel, but is tolerant of other reels. I think anyone who is looking for systems that are "head and shoulders" above others is going to be looking a long time. I think it is a given that Microwave is the easiest to set up; just follow the specified spacing for the first three guides, then locate the others based on stress test. However, KLH has the advantage of having more options available in guides. It can be set up with Fuji reduction guides, then others for the running guides. If they are done in the same finishes, only you will know that part of the guides are from another source. The final consideration to be considered is whether you want the rods to fit into rod tubes. If you do, you may find Microwave and KLH too high, a disadvantage to both. Then you go back to designing around Y guides, or maybe even V's. And you will be able to do quite well with both. My opinion based on quite a bit of test casting with little difference found between any of the systems. If you are going to use braid of less than 15 pound test just about anything will work very well. Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
Ken Finch
(---.)
Date: April 07, 2014 06:08PM
I weighed five of the Minimas and got .5 grams. I'm going to have to stick with .1 gram per. The titanium models would be even lighter. Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
roger wilson
(---.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
Date: April 07, 2014 06:34PM
Michael,
I agree. I think that one can basically use a middle of the line setup so to speak, and the rod casting and retrieve performance will be very similar; no matter the reel. I generally use about 5 different spinning rods that I have built. I will commonly use anywhere from a size 10 reel up to a size 40 reel, depending on what I am doing that day; and each of the rods cast and retrieve line just fine with little difference, if any between the different reels. I always get a bit better distance by using the larger spools. But I think that the reason for that is simply the larger reel and the fewer loops of line coming off the spool, more so than any difference in guide size or height. Be safe Re: Microwave vs. NGC
Posted by:
Victor Heal
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Date: April 08, 2014 08:29AM
Mick You should have stood up at the round up. You could have debated as well as I did. Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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