So i ordered some Threadmaster one and i have a few questions before it gets here

this is only a one part finish and everywhere i read says its hard to remove bubbles so what is the best thing to use to apply it? brush? spatula?

is it good for use on a whole rod? or is it a repair only type deal? ill be using it on a rainshadow hs9000 blank for light saltwater flats fishing

is the dried product rubbery or hard?

is it like permagloss where when you open the bottle you need to hurry and use it or do some crazy stuff to stop it from hardening?

guess thats all the questions i have for now lol i cant find very much info on it besides a few posts with mixed reviews

I ordered some and only used in once. It took days (like 4-5) before it was tack free. I've not used it since.

Chester

May your line be tight and your beverages be cold!

wow 4-5 days to be tack free??? guess ill have to find some other use for it

I tried and tried to apply it in a bubble free way but couldn't do it. Ended up stripping the rod and redoing with flex coat. I am only saying that I couldn't use this someone else may be able to.. I will follow this thread most closely... Btw I was using a brush to apply

I have tried it Not bad It dried well No bubbles and I used a brush ????

Bill - willierods.com

There are tricks to using it.
Thin coats are better than thick is biggest trick. A thin coat can dry in under an hour at 72f in moderate humidity.
I use a batch at 10~15% distilled water diluted for my first few coats.
It dries very fast and too thin for bubbles.
Do NOT stir or shake product.
Do NOT use heat on it.
The less you poke at it or mess with it and just allow gravity to work the better.
Great product when you learn how it works for you.
I use on lighter builds where i want something easier than PG but just enough to barely cover threads.

There are tricks to using it.
Thin coats are better than thick is biggest trick. A thin coat can dry in under an hour at 72f in moderate humidity.
I use a batch at 10~15% distilled water diluted for my first few coats.
It dries very fast and too thin for bubbles.
Do NOT stir or shake product.
Do NOT use heat on it.
The less you poke at it or mess with it and just allow gravity to work the better.
Great product when you learn how it works for you.
I use on lighter builds where i want something easier than PG but just enough to barely cover threads.

Jon,
Lou is right on, why Chester had it not dry for 4-5 days I have no idea. Thin multiple coats is best, because it does dry so fast you can do a whole rod with multiple thin coats faster then doing a rod with 2 part finish. If you do get bubbles you can blow them out with a thin straw or poke them with a toothpick or similar device. By using thin coats you should get a nice build up in 3 coats. The product dries very scuff resistant and flexable, it is not rock hard, but in the case of a rod you don't want rock hard.

Scott Parsons
919-900-8998
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Hello Lou.

I have 1 question for you.

If you add water 10~15%, how do you mix it without "stirring or shaking" the product?

Bob,

New Bern, NC.

Robert ,
when i buy it i get a 1 oz container(seal-able is important) mix with 10~15 % distilled water ( i eyeball it with an eye dropper) go mix well and let it stand a few days to get it to where it has no bubbles. Mixing creates bubbles but if sealed they float out.
After initial thinning no more mix/stir/shake.
TM one and water does not separate out, so no need to mix again.
But if you have another technique that works for you, share it please, i will try it too.
Maybe it works better than mine.

I can't really say why it didn't work, but to be fair I only tried it once. I might have been able to master (no pun intended) the technique with more time. I'm not sure if temperature played a part on not. It has been quite sometime since I tried it, I can't remember.

I certainly wasn't bashing the product, so I hope it wasn't taken that way.

Chester

May your line be tight and your beverages be cold!

I was sent a sample , and just tried it on a couple of test wraps the other day. It is very thick, about like a 2 part finish that you have mixed that is about at the end of its usability for putting on a rod. I applied one thin coat, and rotated it for 2 hours. It came out like one coat of Perma Gloss. Gave it a second thin coat and same results. Like two coats of PG. I don't like the thickness of this finish, but I am withholding my final decision until I have played with it for about a month or so. NEVER USE A NEW FINISH ON A ROD THAT YOU BUILD WITHOUT TESTING IT COMPLETELY ON NUMEROUS TEST WRAPS!!!!

wow i just tried it now and so far i put on 2 coats of very thin and the second coat is already dry to the touch after about and hour or 2 and no bubbles so far but i can still feel the threads through it so maybe im going a tad too light? lol and i love that it cleans up with water

so far i like it but im not sure how well it holds up yet

im hoping this does good after some more testing cause this will be great for my flats rod to keep it as light as possible



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2013 06:31PM by jon edwards.

Hello Lou.

Thanks Lou, I have not done a lot with TM1 including thinning it.
I was just asking how you thinned yours so I could give it a shot thinned, I did not like it thick.


Tight Wraps.
Thanks Again.

Bob,

New Bern, NC.

The point of this finish to me is not to have something the same as say TM lite, its more like PG. I love PG and would us it on all my guides except for the fumes. Oh and getting it off if you have a repair can be an issue.
So as many coats as i need to where i have covered the threads its good for me.
Just for grins i did an open weave and used TM One on it, about 25~26 (i lost count)coats and still not absolutely filled and level. I kind of like the textured feel of it and will most likely keep it like it is.

Thanks for the comments everyone. I will tell you what I do. I usually put on the first coat thin just enough to wet the thread, this pushes the air out of the wraps, after that you can start to apply it thicker, I squirt it right out of the bottle onto the wrap and use a brush to level it off at a relatively fast rotation speed. I can usually get a build up comparable to TM high build in 3 coats. Just my 2 cents. As stated above don't use it for the first time on your finished rod, do some testing with it and get comfortable.
Thanks
Scott

Scott Parsons
919-900-8998
[www.roddancer.com]
[www.fishhawkthreads.com]

thats what i did but i did it after 3 coats lol i put it on thin but wow its reallllllly thin then i figured another thin one might be normalish but no very thin still so i made it pretty thick and it covered pretty nice..i should have done the thick one on second coat

by the way i didnt use a drier i rotated by hand for a few (78F in the room) a quarter turn every couple mins and it leveled perfectly without sags i even used the rod i did it on today (i had to replace just one guide last night and it held up all day although its still a bit rubbery but has only been on for 20 hours? or less i think

I guess having a finish that doesn't rock harden completely allows it to be more flexible. But, doesn't it lend itself to more damage? Or, is it kind of like cork that will basically bounce back (so to speak) and re-fill an area that has been hit/gouged? Certainly goes against the traditional. Which doesn't bother me. But, do customers have a problem w/ it since their knowledge is of a rock hard finish?

well i used it on a 30-50lb gatorglass blank today (conventional reel attached) and it was to put on the guide closest to the reel and i did some bottom fishing today and it didnt move around or come off or anything but....its only been drying about 21 or 22 hours or so at this time and if i try to move around the guide it flexes but returns to its proper spot...not sure if it will go rock hard or stay like this but ill check again in a couple days to see how it is

haha i just wanted to wrap the guide real quick so i could use the rod today but after a few days ill check to see how its hardened and then ill be stripping all the guides off and rewrapping them anyway so it didnt bother me if it came loose or so today

I just want to say I was not bashing this stuff either. Yeah I know I should have tested it but I get antsy in the pantsy and had to try it. This was a 20-40lb rod with double over wrap guides. It took me six thin coats to cover the thread. I know I did something wrong but not sure where it went wrong. I think this is the future of coating