SPONSORS
2024 ICRBE EXPO |
Wrap finish
Posted by:
Steve Harding
(---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: February 20, 2011 10:21PM
Hi all, new guy question:
I am wrapping my 1st rod (4 piece 9' 8wt), After reading a number of posts here, I decided not to use color protector, and to apply Flex Coat high build finish directly to the wraps. I applied a relatively thin coat (I have no motorized turner and some of my test wraps sagged), and see very small "whiskers" sticking through the finish. Should I do something to attempt to knock these town (like lightly sand with 400 grit sand paper), or just apply additional coats until they are covered? Thanks in advance, Steve Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
Ed Casteel
(---.hsd1.ms.comcast.net)
Date: February 20, 2011 10:25PM
Got to knock them down before you recoat or they just get more pronounced. Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
Ron Weber
(---.ph.ph.cox.net)
Date: February 20, 2011 10:46PM
Ed! Unhide your email. whoops, ment Steve Ron Weber Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2011 10:51PM by Ron Weber. Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
Steve Harding
(---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: February 20, 2011 10:48PM
Thanks, Ed; I'll do that. Is this a common thing to have happen? It has a kind of pattern that suggests that it has to do with thread wrap tension. Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
Ron Weber
(---.ph.ph.cox.net)
Date: February 20, 2011 10:53PM
Steve unhide you email Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
Steve Harding
(---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: February 20, 2011 10:54PM
How do I do that? Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
Ron Weber
(---.ph.ph.cox.net)
Date: February 20, 2011 10:58PM
You do it in your control center, or you can send it to me at info@southwestcustomrods.com Ron Weber Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
Steve Harding
(---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: February 20, 2011 10:59PM
I think I figured it out Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
roger wilson
(---.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
Date: February 21, 2011 12:49AM
Steve,
If you have nubbies sticking up from the finish, I use a single edged razor blade, held nearly perpendicular to the finish and scrap the nubbies off of the finish. Just be careful to not go through the finish or you will cut into the thread. I find that the razor blade is easier to control to knock down the nubs, rather than using sand paper. Good luck Roger Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
bill boettcher
(---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 21, 2011 06:27AM
Sand with wet/dry 400 sand paper. Works well. If you can sand the sags Carefully and try to knock them down.
baby sit your rod for a longer time Also it would be better to put -thin - coats on. I do two sanding the first after set overnight. Bill - willierods.com Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
Tom Kirkman
(Moderator)
Date: February 21, 2011 07:59AM
Your thread shouldn't be fuzzy. Check your thread routing hardware to find out what's damaging your thread. This isn't normal.
.............. Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
Steve Harding
(---.emkc.com)
Date: February 21, 2011 10:14AM
Tom,
I read somewhere the the thread tension should be "just below where you're worried about it breaking". I am thinking that that is too tight, and maybe if I back off the problem will go away. Hopefully, not a bad spool of thread. I've only done the ferrules so far, so I'll see how the other wraps go. Thanks, everyone, for the input. Steve Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
Gary Snyder
(12.77.249.---)
Date: February 21, 2011 10:42AM
What kind of thread? This reminds me of the reason I use color preserver... it knocks down any fuzz. Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
bill boettcher
(---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 21, 2011 10:48AM
If you are putting tension on the thread and going though that device that squeezes it that may be why you are getting fusses.
It is better to put tension on the spool itself Bill - willierods.com Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
Ken Preston
(---.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 21, 2011 11:13AM
Pull a couple of feet of thread directly off the spool and look at it under good light. Some thread when it is wound from the larger diameter bulk rolls onto the smaller 100 / 450 / 650 spools that many of us use does get frayed. This seems to happen most often NCP thread. IF the thread looks good then check for anything on the thread path that can be abrading the thread. Regular nylon thread can be wrapped very tightly without "fuzzies" appearing above the finish. One solution to "fuzzies" is to singe the thread wraps with an alcohol lamp held off to the side (not directly under) the wrap. That will melt the thin nylon threads. For where you're at now you would be best to hold a SHARP razor blade at 90 degrees to the coated wrap and carefully knock them down & apply another thin coat of epoxy. Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
Tom Kirkman
(Moderator)
Date: February 21, 2011 02:26PM
Steve,
That sounds like something you'd read on an internet forum. No, you only want to wrap your guides snug, not tight. Once wrapped, you should be able to shift them by hand to align them. If you can't shift them with moderate pressure, they're too tight and on thinner walled blanks, can actually contribute or even cause a failure. .............. Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
Steve Harding
(---.emkc.com)
Date: February 21, 2011 02:58PM
The thread isn't passing through anything, it's tensioned with one of those cheap gizmos that uses a bolt, wingnut, plastic and felt washers for tension. The reason I started thinking it was a tension issue was that there were sections of my wraps that had no fuzzies - I must have inadvertently used the correct tension there. I did use a flame to try to singe them off, and wound up with very small "spines" sticking up perpendicular to the rod. I used Gudebrod CP on some of my test wraps, eliminated most of the fuzzies, but had other problems. I'll wrap with less tension and see what happens. I'll post the results in the hopes that someone else can learn from my mistakes.
Steve Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
roger wilson
(---.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
Date: February 21, 2011 03:30PM
Steve,
As one of the other posters suggested, you may have received a bad spool of thread. I have used many many spools of thread and have only run across a couple of spools. I did have the bad luck to get a nice rod wrapped with the bad spool I was able to use the razor blade, knock down the fuzzies, and recoast with no issue. Then, I threw the thread in the garbage. Take your current spool of thread, and do some wraps very tightly on a blank or a dowel. Then, look at the wraps under a very bright light with a good magnifier. If you see any fuzzies popping up off of the thread, take the thread and pitch it into the garbage. You have a bad spool Roger Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
Bob Pratt
(---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date: February 21, 2011 05:05PM
Just a question from a rookie, could working the thread too aggressively, like burnishing too much or too hard cause this?
Bob Re: Wrap finish
Posted by:
Ken Preston
(---.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 21, 2011 05:07PM
Only if the burnishing tool had a rough spot or ridge. Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
|