What would you reccomend? I am using D thread.

I put down a base layer and then do 2 overwraps (a thread) for my stand ups.

Triple.

A double overwrap will suffice, although a triple overwrap on such a rod won't hurt a thing.

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Al , These are the type of rods that I build , I have found the a underwrap and 2 overwraps will be fine. However if you are planning to use briaded line in the 100lb and above , 3 overwraps of D or 2 of EE would be my recomendation.

Here's another rob building myth in action! The triple wrap technique dates back to the days when varish was the preferred finish. The extra layers of thread were used to guard against abrasion. Today we have high build epoxy for that. A single layer of size A thread provides all the strength needed to keep the guide in place.

For anyone who doesn't believe me I challange you to perform the following experiment: Wrap an Aftco #31 roller guide onto a blank using size A thread. Make the wraps only 1/2" long and center them on the guide foot. Now pull on the guide frame until something fails. What fails? The guide! The wraps are intact. What happens is that the guide frame distorts with the legs bending towards the center of the guide which allows the guide feet to slip out from under the wraps. I did this with my drag scale, it took 40-42# of pull for the failure to occur.

So all that is required is a single layer of A and a good coat of epoxy. Everything else is cosmetic.

What I useually do is one wrap then use the epoxy then one more and epoxy. I was just wondering if triple wold be better

Dave is right. If you are making it for yourself, a single wrap of D (or even A) with a few coats of permagloss or one heavy coat of epoxy is all you need. If you are making it for someone else, do at least a double wrap of D. Because otherwise they are very likely to complain that it won't be strong enough and probably it won't matter what you tell them.

Tom is also right that a triple wrap won't hurt. Heck, 20 wraps won't hurt. But they won't help either...

A single wrap of A thread is plenty strong but a triple wrap of D thread looks better and dose not hurt a thing . An under wrap of gold , an over wrap of black followed by an over wrap of electric blue looks mighty fine.

Multi-wraps is the traditional method because the thread was once silk. With modern nylon thread it is most likely not necessary to do 2 or 3 layers for strength, but I've found that no matter how good a job of wrapping you do with a single layer, you'll have cracking of the finish at the edges of the guide feet after the rod is flexed (from fighting fish). Therefore, I always underwrap guides with size A thread and the tie guides on with two layers of sizeD. The rod will look good for years to come.

In my option D is rope and looks like crap on any rod no matter how large. I own nothing but A. Cracking around guide feet is prevented by proper foot preparation combined with proper wrapping techniques.

Dave

I keep meaning to ask, are you related to Pete Barrett?

thanks

I agree with many of the other posts.
I use a single wrap of A thread on all of the rods that I make and have never had a thread / guide related problem with any of the rods.

Just take a steel rod and do some tests.
Take a 1/2 inch steel rod and then wrap a guide on the rod, using a single layer of A thread and coat it.

Then, on the same rod in a different spot, wrap on the same guide - using a couple layers of D thread. Insure that both are well coated with rod finish. Let dry and then test and try to break the bond of both.

I think that you will find very very little difference in the amount of stress required for either guide to be torn loose from the rod.

Save the time and trouble and just use the single wrap of A thread, coat well and enjoy.

Take care
Roger

Ernie Johnson Wrote:
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> Dave
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> I keep meaning to ask, are you related to Pete
> Barrett?
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Nope Ernie I'm not related. Kinda wish I was because then I might be able to get a few free trips!