Just a heads up; I purchased some of the spider thread after the post the other day.

To see if I could use it to fasten tiny guides to the blank for testing and to hold until wrapped.

So far while from what I understand it will hold bait sacks for fishing, it will NOT hold the guide to the blank unless it is tied off, defeating the purpose of it
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Maybe because the blank and guides are rigid it does not seems to hold to itself.

I had hopes that it was going to be a little magic trick to make life easier, but at the moment it just seems to be and exercise in futility.

If you’ve already ordered some to try, keep an eye on your tiny guide, as it will shoot off when this stuff unwraps like a rubber band. 2mm guides are hard to find in the carpet.

So before you go out and purchase some for rod building you might want to reconsider
Still plan to try it on some jigs to see if it will hold.

Anything you use for wrapping guides to the blank needs to have some stretch to it. From what I've seen, most of the braided or "plastic" type lines don't have any stretch, thus, they really aren't going to be suitable for guide wrapping.

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yeah.... i don't know if it'll work for this purpose.... it does hold spawn sacks fine though. it kinda doubles into itself in that application, but on rods i don't see it working, unless you use a ton of it, which defeats its purpose.

Tom;
The spider thread I'm referring to is what Dave Orr was talking about in this thread.

Re: Single Foot Guide Securement!!!!
Posted by: Dave Orr (---.nt.internorth.net)
Date: October 10, 2007 02:02PM


“A new twist........
I find it particularly difficult with tiny single foot guides....Try this product. (Spider Thread)

[www.1stopfishingsupplyshop.com]

This is a stretchy monofilament like product used for securing the tops of ROE bags for trout and salmon fishing.
When wrapped over it's self it automatically grips with no need to tie off. If you wrap several turns near the base of the guide (ring end) and pull tight to break the thread it will lock it's self in place and still give you the ability to shift the guide around. Start wrapping the guide and when it's held by the wrapping thread cut off the Spider Thread.
I hope this makes sense......."

Regards
Dave


It may work with larger guides, but I could not get it to work with tiny 2mm guides. Maybe I need smaller fingers, or some tips from Dave But I was really frustrated trying to get it to work. After chasing my guides down a number of different times I gave up

Steve, thanks for the heads up. Dropping size 2 guides = get a magnet off the refrigerator and pass it all over teh place until you here it "click", whic his the guide sticking to the magnet. DOn't ask how I know, lol.

Steve,

If you haven't tried it yet, you gotta try Flex Coat guide foot adhesive for smaller guides (and bigger ones for that matter). Once you get the hang of the stuff, which is really easy to do, it works awesome! I can't believe that everyone doesen't use it. It's so fast and easy you just have to try it. You can just wrap your guide, and don't have to worry about trimming off rubber bands or anything. Check it out!

Marc

You are correct about using Flex Coat guide foot adhesive. The problem I found it makes it hard to adjust the guides for spacing or alignment. I use surgical tubing to hold my guides. By using the tubbing you can adjust the spacing if needed. When it comes to wrapping just wrap up to the tub and cut it off.
Good Wraps Bob

You guys who are recommending FC guide adhesive have NO CLUE how hard it is to apply to the guides Steve is using. While it does work, it's very difficult to apply and overheating the guide is VERY VERY easy to do with teh smaller ones

HEre is a photo showing the size of the guide, adn the size of the guide compared to the guides most are familiar with.
[www.rodbuilding.org]
[www.rodbuilding.org]

Billy you are so correct. That product has to be at lest 20 years old
Good Wraps Bob

Steve,
I have been using monofilament for securing the minni guides. Two or three winds around the blank using resonable tension and
tie your knot. With a properly dressed guide you can force the guide into the wrap with the help of a pick. You should be able to get
a couple adjustments without retying. I use 8-10# test.

Richard how easy is it to change guide spacing?\Say if you have to make a one inch adjustment.
Good Wraps Bob

I have never seen a 2 MM guide let alone tried to tie one on. The smallest guides I have used are #6's and the spider thread works well here, at least for me. I hold the guide temporarily with masking tape near the guide foot end and wrap the spider thread not too tightly about 6 or 8 turns, continue for several more turns while pulling the thread tighter (almost to the breaking point) then pull hard to break the spider thread.

Regards
Dave

Fishing is Life the rest is just Details

I do the same thing with surgical tubbing. and I do not have to make 4 or 5 wraps and tie it off. If I have to make a spacing adjustment all I have to do is slide the guide in the direction I need. I do not have to rewrap and tie off
Good Wraps Bob Bands just work for me. As well as thread works for you

Guys;
Thanks for the tips. I don't have a problem working with 2mm guides; I have been using/experimenting with them for about 18 months now.

I bought the spider thread to see if it would make it even easier to do, but it does not.

When working with the tiny guides it is necessary to be able to adjust them to maximize performance, which as Bob said using adhesive would make harder to do.

Billy is also right about the heat and size issue. For reference if you look at the link to the 4mm guide he has pictured with the ruler the 2mm's are about 1/2 that size.

these pic's will also give you a size reference
[www.rodbuilding.org]
[www.rodbuilding.org]




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/17/2007 12:49AM by Steve Gardner.

does the guide adhesive hold good enough to be able to cast the rod so you can set your guides for the best casting? i use the tubing right now and when i go out and test cast they get out of wack easily.

it should hold real good but every time you want to adjust a guid you will have to remove and reheat the adhesive to make it stick again.

By far the best thing I have found to hold small guides in place is the dental
bands designed for braces. the ones I got are about 1/64th in wide with a
pin sized hole in the middle. They stretch good and hold strong! Guides do
not come off durring test casting on the slimest blank and yet are easily
moved/adjusted. One touch with a blade and there off.

The only 2 drawbacks are 1) not cheap as tubing and 2) need to get from
dentist or dental suppy dist.

Steve,
Email me your mailing address and I'll send you some to try.

Raymond Adams
Eventually, all things merge, and a river runs through it..

If my guide is loose I just double the band to make it tighter. As for guide glue if you have to adjust the guide you have to re heat it. Also if some glue gets past the guide foot, you have to clean the blank or it well interfer with the wrap
Good Wraps Bob

How does this 'spider thread' compare with Pearsalls gossamer(6/0) & naples(4/0) silk thread?

If at first you don't succeed, go fishing, then try, try again.

The spider thread is a spandex type material. I don't think id would be suitable for permanent wraps. Just to see I took a two inch length and stretched it to just less than twelve inches on a ruler.
But stretched out it is almost invisible and apart from a slight sheen it all but disappears on a blank




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/17/2007 08:06AM by Steve Gardner.