Aaron Petersen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > HAHA. Who set them in the vice. Who adjusted the > vice to put the crosshair on the intended target? > That is the accuracy. The word I used is vise. Not vice. One is an object and the other is evil: vice: immoral or wicked behavior. And I was trying so hard to avoid vice with my vise! A perso
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ben belote Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > no one forced him to sell out his name.. No but cancer did. He was told he had months to live. So he took the money and ran- for his family- and then outlived the diagnosis and today probably regrets having sold it, but that is just my opinion based on numerous interviews I have seen. Am I alone here in the
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Aaron Petersen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When Google becomes a firearms expert let me know. This to me is not accurate at all. Google is not being used as an expert. google is merely a search engine that finds the millions of hits from the web that includes REPUTABLE websites by well known experts. I tried to post this carefully but you will not acce
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Grant Darby Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Kent, if, in your mind, Gary Loomis is the number > one rod builder on the planet I do think you need > to meet a few more builders.........now I might > agree that he is among the best salesmen on the > planet, but rod builder?? I have! But I am leery to name on here because some of them are pay
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Mike Ballard Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And there you go --- you have "spine theory" which > just that... a theory. On the other hand there is > data and research and numbers behind using the > straightest axis to build on. And even that is > only for maximum strength, not casting accuracy. > When you get some numbers to bac
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Aaron Petersen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > HAHA. Who set them in the vice. Who adjusted the > vice to put the crosshair on the intended target? > That is the accuracy. In bench rest shooting you > measure the consistency of your group not the > accuracy. You my friend are out of your area of > expertise. Some may incorrectly call it ac
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ben belote Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Kent, one way to find the straight axis is to roll > the blank on a table and observe the tip..when the > tip rotates to a tip-up position thatis the > straight axis for me but your saying it is also on > the spine but if i flex the rod, the spine is off > to the side..please explain further and p
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Aaron Petersen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rifle > accuracy is not a thing. It is. If I took a $5,000 rifle and locked it into a vise and did the same to a $100 rifle... both side by side locked into a vise aimed at a target using the same bullets. Now, I don't care where the bullets hit, what I care about is the measurable spread of at leas
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Aaron Petersen Wrote: > link from Tom I started to think logically about > it for myself. I stopped spining. I started > building on straightest axis tip up. So you stopped spining yet still build on the tip up method, and according to Gary Loomis, guess what? You are actually still spining rods. You just choose to believe you are not but you are. So rather than choose a finda
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Aaron Petersen Wrote: > > Now my favorite part. The analogies. > > 1. Firearms accuracy. This is 100% false. I > gunsmith, ammo smith, and am a lifelong avid > shooter. Firearms in combination with their > ammunition are not accurate. They are consistent. > It is the shooter who is accurate based on the > skill of operating the firearm. The firearm just &
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I agree Tom, but the idea recommended is not a spiral wrap. That was my whole point. It should not be called a spiral wrap when it clearly is not. And because it rubs the blank which is contrary to the definition of spiral wrap. Can we please change the name of this idea? It is causing harm for spiral wrappers that is noted right here on this forum in their honest comments about it. Can it be
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Kent Griffith Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > honestly I would not even call the simple spiral > wrap a spiral wrap because it is NOT spiraling > anything like the 1909 patent shows in the > drawings. Going from top directly to bottom is not > a spiral wrap. I gave this some thought last night and I have come to the conclusion that wha
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Ya, sure ya didn't!
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Phil Ewanicki Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If there is no significant difference why > spend time worrying about, finding, and building > on spine? Well if you had read the thread you would have read "building on the spine is for CASTING ACCURACY ONLY." Gary Loomis, er, God said so! You are late to the party! What took you so long
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So when you retire what will happen to all that data? RodMaker should be in the National Archives! Digitizing is the only way to go in this day and age. Sell that data!
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I don't run a custom rod website and forum. So I am not the person to do such a thing. I also got to know Pat in the years before he passed. He and I discussed spiral wraps and other, and I'd like to think that maybe I had a little influence on his spiral wraps made in his last years. I look for his rods at MudHole every time I go in there. I seek out his few remaining custom rods still o
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Mike Ballard Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Uh, maybe because it works just fine? Line rubbing the blank works just fine? And you are happy with just fine? Not for me. Enjoy your 1890's hot air balloon rides!
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Mike Ballard Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What is it going to do > better than the Simple Spiral for what I use it > for? It won't cast better and it won't fight a > fish any better. I know this as I have built them > all. What is the end result that you think is > better other than filling your self desired > requirements? If you
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Tom Kirkman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Simple Spiral has been well received by tens > of thousands in the custom rod building craft. It > won't satisfy everyone but it does satisfy many. > It is often recommended here precisely because so > many use and like it. > Really? You know I have been around the custom rod building co
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Mike Ballard Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Simple Spiral has been my go-to system for all > freshwater crankbait trolling rods for over 10 > years now. It just plains works. And so what if > the line rubs the blank? What does that hurt? I > put a low frame bumper on that spot and now the > line just touches that guide instead of the
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I'd be willing to discuss this in private. And yes it is generally perceived when people ask about how to make a spiral wrapped rod here, the simple is most often recommended in my opinion, and its not working out well for some. And I am just bringing this point out into the open and asking that a change in this matter occur if possible. In my opinion we build custom rods to enjoy our craft
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Tom Kirkman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Simple Spiral, assuming you do understand what > that is, is not a colossal failures in any sense > of those words. It works perfectly fine.. It has > no transition guides and offers a very straight > line path, the only deviation is slipping by one > side of the blank. It's the only one I us
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Tom Kirkman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The straightest axis and the spine are rarely on > the same plane. The effective spine is the softest > axis and will generally put any curve about 90 > degrees off to one side, give or take a bit. If > you look at the photo here on page 2, you can get > an understanding why. > . > pdf &
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David Sytsma Wrote: > I kept the line > centered in the rings. No matter how hard I tried, > the 4th guide always wanted to be at 170 degrees, > not 180. Remainder of the guides (nine total plus > tip top) liked being at 180 degrees. What you said here is the road to success and the pathway to unlocking the spiral wrapped rod secrets. Let the line flow under load show yo
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David Sytsma Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well guys, here is where I am. I made the one > spiral wrapped rod in my life about 3 years ago > and it was a colossal failure. > I spent the > better part of this afternoon setting up this > Calstar for a simple spiral wrap and it looked > "okay" but seemed a little off. S
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Maybe so, but you know Tom, if one pays close attention to what Gary Loomis says in that video... when he said if the rod is going to have a bend, more than 90% of the time it will be on the spine anyway. So for all those who are building on straightest axis, they are actually building on the spine but calling it something else. Gary Loomis made it very clear building on the spine and build
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And the debate rages on! I spent decades building up my rod collection, all built on the findable spine. I'm not about to change now. I'd be in a fix if I did! OK, sons, here are my life long collection of custom rods to be passed down to you one day... I'll give you the unspined rods for now... and only upon my death will you ever get your hands on my spined rods! Ha!
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Mike Ballard Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Kent - Do Mudhole and Getbit sell spine finding > tools??? There is your answer as to why spining is > "GOD." Hard to sell spine finding tools unless you > push the idea that rods should be spined. Disagree. Spining was god before anyone ever made up a tool to sell. (That I know of)
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Mike Ballard Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you are not casting along the exact same plane > as the spine then the rod is not loading "straight > into the loaded backswing and casting straight out > of it." And few fishermen cast along a single axis > all the time. Apologies to Mr. Loomis but this is > nonsense. Plain marketi
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If I contradicted myself I'd like to know where. Another spine issue I have a hard time getting past... I have spent the last 35 years on and off working in and around the rod and reel tackle business, working mainly as a reel tech at the shop because that is where most efforts were needed as the owner did most of the rod work, and I also made income buying and selling used tackle over the
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