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CCF Question
Posted by:
Todd Theodore
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Date: January 09, 2016 09:43PM
I've used the CCS system for years. But, embarrassingly haven't done any CCF tests.
So, today I decided I would give it a try. Went well overall. However, I tested an dancraft GXT that came up with a CCF of 85. Then I took the off the tip and wrapped on a single foot guide, which when weighed on my digital scale is 1/2 the weight of the tip. So, I assumed a bit of an increase in the CCF number. But, it came out as 83. Not a huge difference. But, not what I expected. Did I do something wrong or was my assumption in error? Re: CCF Question
Posted by:
Tom Kirkman
(Moderator)
Date: January 09, 2016 10:09PM
The CCF should fall as you add more weight to the rod, particularly near or on the tip. For the time being let's assume you did everything per spec.
You say you took off the "tip." Did you have a standard tube type tip on there when you did the original measurment? Something else comes to mine - did you weigh the thread and any finish when you added the single foot? ................. Re: CCF Question
Posted by:
Todd Theodore
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Date: January 09, 2016 10:34PM
It was a Minima tip with a little thread and finish. I removed that and wrapped a Minima titanium single foot on the top with no finish. So, definitely thought it would increase the number.
The guide weighs 1/2 the tip. I wouldn't think the thread would add that 1/2 plus some to change the number. I don't know. I'll try it all over tomorrow. Re: CCF Question
Posted by:
Tom Kirkman
(Moderator)
Date: January 10, 2016 08:11AM
Hard to say but one thing we can be certain of is the laws of physics didn't change, so something is amiss if the single foot and thread actually weigh less than the standard tube tip.
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Posted by:
Todd Theodore
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Date: January 10, 2016 08:38AM
I think I figured out what I did. Operator error. Like you said, physics hasn't changed.
On the first setup with tip I think I mistakenly counted a full oscillation on the up tick instead of a full oscillation being completed on the down. Which I did correctly on the second try with guide as tip. That would have been less time on the stopwatch and produced a higher number. We'll give it another try. Re: CCF Question
Posted by:
Todd Theodore
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Date: January 10, 2016 01:51PM
I just re-tested with the Minima tip and it was a bit slower. It came in at an 82.5. Not as much of a difference than I was thinking.
I think it shows that, for this rod anyway, that extra tip weight (about .2 grams) doesn't have as much impact as I thought. This is a finished rod by the way. Re: CCF Question
Posted by:
Tom Kirkman
(Moderator)
Date: January 10, 2016 04:10PM
If the rod is fairly stiff and crisp, then that little weight might not make much difference. On a lighter rod, it would make more difference.
Have you tried the measurement with no tip at all? Just out of curiosity. ................ Re: CCF Question
Posted by:
Todd Theodore
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Date: January 10, 2016 04:15PM
No I didn't. But, good idea. I'll give it a try. Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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