Maybe there is a reason why Fuji - not Jim - that make things different then what is out and Proven To Work
Why can no one compare there blanks to any other ???

Bill - willierods.com

I understand what Bill is saying as far as Fuji pushing the boundaries and coming up with innovative ideas, that even though they may go against the grain of accepted thinking, they're ideas that are proven to work. The KR GPS works, and works quite well. And it doesn't match any of the other choke guide placement methods, exactly.

But this .... and Jim, this isn't directed at you, ....... this isn't one of those innovative thinking outside the box ideas that is going to work. Using a system of rating their blanks that disregards the laws of physics by not including the entire length of a lever (which is exactly what a fishing rod is) in their equation, doesn't do anyone any good. All it does is add more uncertainty, to the already uncertain process of purchasing a blank that you've never laid your hands on.



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I just reviewed Toms original article on CCS and the technique we are using to measure the blanks is exactly as Tom describes in reference to the way the rod is jigged up horizontally. The difference occurs when the handle length is removed from the computation. In most cases the handle is estimated at 12 inches. One third of that additional length is 4 inches. The question becomes (since the jigging technique to hold the rod is identical to CCS) how much additional weight would be needed to drop the tip another 4 inches and how would that change the angle of the tip. Tom's original "guess" that our powers might be a little lighter than CCS are likely spot on. I would guess the AA changes no more than a degree. I will measure some blanks and see.

Bill, I have said this many times....POINT Blank has NOTHING to do with FUJI.

The CCS forward mounting/support location for any rod blank is a point no further forward than 10% of its total length. This was clarified in the simplified CCS article to eliminate confusion. So on a 7 foot blank, you'd support it on the forward end at about 8-1/2 inches from the butt, with the support adjusted so the next foot of blank is level. The deflection amount is a distance equal to 1/3rd of the total blank length, butt to tip. The deflection measurement is made from level, ignoring any initial tip droop.

I only note these parameters for those that may not be aware of the measurement constants. Angler's Resources remains free to do things as they see fit.

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I am using every one of those parameters, exactly, to remeasure a few blanks.

Thanks Jim! Looking forward to updated info.

Me too!

I'll be interested in the results as well.

The topic of how Point Blank gets their ratings came up in a thread about CCS numbers a while ago. At the time, I tested one of my rods using the CCS, and also tested it using the CCS but adjusted it to use the "working length" of the rod that Point Blank evidently uses. At the time I was unaware as to what portion of the working length of the blank constituted a fully loaded blank in the Point Blank method, so I used 1/3 of the working length to constitute a blank being fully loaded. The results were quite different.

Learning that Point Blank uses 30% of the working length would make the disparity in the numbers even greater, I tested the rod for IP only. Using the CCS, the rod I tested had an IP in grams, of 612.5. When I retested it using the working length of the rod in the calculations, the IP in grams drop to 525. I didn't test what the recommended lure weight range for the rod would be, but unless I'm missing something painfully obvious, logic would suggest that the Point Blank method would result in lighter lure weight ratings as well.

And that is what is really confusing to me about the Point Blank ratings. While most of the line weight and lure weight ratings go along with conventional ratings seen on factory rods, and rods that list CCS numbers, some of them are ratings that I have never seen before. For instance ...... a fast action blank rated for 1/2 - 1 oz. with a line weight range of 8 - 20 lb mono. 8# line on a fast action blank that is rated to 1 oz?

I'd really like to build on a Point Blank in the future, but I'm afraid that won't happen until I can hold the blank in my hands, so I can get an idea of how the blank actually performs. For me to do that will require a 4 1/2 hour, 266 mile round trip, and $17.50 in tolls. Plus gas.

Put in rod component terms, that's the cost of a complete MVT reel seat.



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Anyone up in MN built a rod on these blanks? I'd like to feel one before purchasing.