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Re: Fly rod on spinning blank
Posted by:
Greg Foy
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Date: September 10, 2012 02:48PM
Maybe you can email mudhole for the CCS data on the MHX ST1022. If the ERN= 9.5 to 10.5 and the AA= 68 to 70 that may work for you. Re: Fly rod on spinning blank
Posted by:
Laurent Keiff
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Date: September 10, 2012 03:39PM
I got some Info from them through a friend. I won't quote without permission, but the gist of the message is that the HS9000-2-MHX have been frequently build as a fly rod, and works well as a 8-9wt, with a kind of mod-fast action. That's good news.
Now my main question is: how about the ST1022? how does it compare to the HS9000? If there's anyone with experience of these blanks, I'd be glad to hear what you think. _______________________________________________ If I'm not going to catch anything, then I'd rather not catch anything on flies. Prostaff Rodhouse [www.rodhouse.fr] Re: Fly rod on spinning blank
Posted by:
Phil Ewanicki
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Date: September 10, 2012 05:43PM
Rods throw weight. They don't know what provides the weight.
1 ounce = 437.5 grains The first 30 feet of a 5 wt. line weighs 134 to 146 grains, or .304 to .334 ounces. The first 30 feet of a 6 wt. line weighs 152 to 168 grains, or .347 to .384 ounces. The first 30 feet of a 7 wt. line weighs 177 to 193 grains, or .405 to .441 ounces The first 30 feet of an 8 wt. line weighs 202 to 218 grains, or .462 to .498 ounces. The first 30 feet of a 9 wt. line weighs 230 to 250 grains, or .526 to .571 ounces. The first 30 feet of a 10 wt. line weighs 270 to 290 grains, or .617 to .663 ounces. The first 30 feet of an 11 weight line weighs 318 to 342 grains, or .727 to .782 ounces. The first 30 feet of a 12 wt. line weighs 368 to 392 grains, or .841 to .896 ounces. Fly line weights, and thus fly rod "weights," were set in the fiberglass blank era, so they don't necessarily reflect the realities of modern graphite blanks. I would not hesitate to plan on overloading a modern graphite "spinning rod blank" by two line weights - grains or ounces - when building it as a fly rod. Re: Fly rod on spinning blank
Posted by:
Laurent Keiff
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Date: September 10, 2012 07:26PM
Phil: I'm quite familiar with the notion and the origins of the rod ratings, but thanks.
If need be, I can specify a little: I'd like a bank with a tip action (aa>70) that would be able to aerialize more than 60' of a 9wt (ern>10.5). Ideally, the rod would have to be snappy (CCF around 90). the problem is that I couldn't find anywhere on the web the CCS for the relevant blanks, so I resort to the usual and metaphorical use of the concepts. _______________________________________________ If I'm not going to catch anything, then I'd rather not catch anything on flies. Prostaff Rodhouse [www.rodhouse.fr] Re: Fly rod on spinning blank
Posted by:
Russell Brunt
(165.214.14.---)
Date: September 11, 2012 11:58AM
I love my hot shot steelhead rods but I don't think they would make a good fly rod. I have the hs9000. The tips on these blanks are ultra-light like. The first 12 inches of the blank flexs but then the blank locks up solid. The blank would offer no cushion if a fish made a quick lunge. Okay with a normal reel and drag...and maybe with an anti-reverse fly reel....but you would need a very quick finger release to protect your tippet.
IMHO a moderate action popping blank would be where I'd look. Castaway makes such blanks and the price is reasonable. Russ in Hollywood, FL. Re: Fly rod on spinning blank
Posted by:
Phil Ewanicki
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Date: September 11, 2012 01:25PM
Russ:
Laurent proposes to use the rod for pike, a species not known for being leader shy and for which bite tippets are the norm. The concerns of dry-fly anglers about start-up drags decrease substantially when 1X and 0X leaders are the norm. I'll bet you would like a hot-shot fly rod once you got used to the timing. Re: Fly rod on spinning blank
Posted by:
Phil Ewanicki
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Date: September 11, 2012 02:08PM
Actually, Laurent, my post with grain and ounce numbers is not about the origins of rod ratings but enumerates the still current standards of the fly line industry, handed down by the A.F.T.M.A. more than 50 years ago. Like it or not, our current fly rod blank "weights" are wholly dependent upon those long ago A.F.T.M.A. line ratings, which is why I posted those numbers. Not everyone is as familiar as you and I with the notion and the origins - and still current standards - for the "weights" of fly lines, and the subsequent "weights" of blanks used for fly rods. As Laurent noted, a blank's description is often no more helpful than recommending line weight or lure weight and provides no cross-reference between the two, which is why I did. Re: Fly rod on spinning blank
Posted by:
Laurent Keiff
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Date: September 12, 2012 04:18AM
Russ: Phil is right, I'm more concerned with having enough power to lift heavy lines/flies, and having a good feedback on what happens to the fly than tippet protection -- which you don't need for pike.
I've been told by several people that the HS9000 action is not that fast, but rather mod-fast. would you agree on that? Phil: you're right, it's worth a reminder. I'm guessing a couple of people wanting to do the same thing (fly rod on spinning blank) will end up here when looking for info. it' s good to have this table as a guideline for power conversion. _______________________________________________ If I'm not going to catch anything, then I'd rather not catch anything on flies. Prostaff Rodhouse [www.rodhouse.fr] Re: Fly rod on spinning blank
Posted by:
Russell Brunt
(165.214.14.---)
Date: September 12, 2012 07:34AM
IMHO the hs9000 is a perfect light rod for open water fishing when needing to cast very light offerings. It will cast a 1/16 of an ounce. It is best suited for 6 to 8 pound mono range. I wouldn't want to cast much more than a 1/2 ounce. Well regarded for bonefish on the flats in my area. I would consider it a very fast rod but it will bend down into the handle with enough load. Russ in Hollywood, FL. Re: Fly rod on spinning blank
Posted by:
Laurent Keiff
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Date: September 12, 2012 04:14PM
thanks, Russell! _______________________________________________ If I'm not going to catch anything, then I'd rather not catch anything on flies. Prostaff Rodhouse [www.rodhouse.fr] Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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