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Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: Anonymous User (---.ptld.qwest.net)
Date: January 19, 2009 08:22PM

Is there any real reason that you have to use any double foot guides on a baitcaster? Medium powered blank 8-17 line test 3/8 to 3/4 wts.
It is going to be built for a Zebco Omega One.

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: matthew jacobs (---.181.117.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net)
Date: January 19, 2009 08:31PM

Not that I'm aware of other than that's the way it's "always" been done.

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: Bill Stevens (---.br.br.cox.net)
Date: January 19, 2009 08:40PM

Tim take a look at all bass rods in the web sites of the manufacturers - very few use more than one or two double foot guides on the butt section of the rod - the standard presently is to drop weight and improve the characteristics of the blank to end up with a better rod - single foot guides are plenty strong for the task.

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: Duane Richards (---.rn.hr.cox.net)
Date: January 19, 2009 08:55PM

Tim,

I like a double foot for the 1st stripper guide ONLY, after that I'm single foot flys.

DR

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: Eddie Taylor (---.midsouth.biz.rr.com)
Date: January 19, 2009 08:57PM

I use single foot fly guides from the choker to the tip on almost all BCs except for heavy power flippin/pitchin rods. Most are couple of 2x foot guides for butt/stripper, couple of bumpers then single foot all the way out. All single foot guides are Forhan loop wrapped. I use the single foot guides to help reduce weight which helps with sensitivity and cut down on the"softening" of the action.

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: Greg Vogel (---.135.80.14.montanasat.net)
Date: January 19, 2009 09:15PM

That is all I use any more with a double for the first and maybe the second as I do all of mine spiral wrap and just like the thought of a little more support for the transition guide.

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: Raymond Adams (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: January 19, 2009 09:16PM

Durability & ring height are the 2 factors that come to mind.
If single foot meet those criteria then ya don't need DF.

Raymond Adams
Eventually, all things merge, and a river runs through it..

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: Thomas Kaufmann (---.t1.cavtel.net)
Date: January 19, 2009 09:18PM

NOPE, the only reason that I have seen is for flippin rods and that will depend on how your angler is going to hold the rod.

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: J.B. Hunt (---.pool.dsl.logantele.com)
Date: January 19, 2009 09:25PM

I build a lot of Pitching , heavy Cranking and Carolina rods . I am kinda set into a guide pattern for these rods which consists of 2 dbl ft, one single ft. and fly guides the rest of the way. I have done a lot of test casting with this setup and I like it. I almost always use Alconites. All of these rods are 7' and up in length.

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: Alex Dziengielewski (---.scana.com)
Date: January 20, 2009 11:22AM

I don't use any double foots, even on pitching and flipping sticks.

Don't see the need. I don't warranty big or clumsy feet. That's an $8 repair.

Outside of that, why would you need more durability? Don't the guides going towards the tip take more abuse during fishing than the stripper guide?

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: Whit Engle (---.prenova.com)
Date: January 20, 2009 11:47AM

I use both, and combinations of both. Just finished an 8 1/2 foot baitcaster with double footed guides all the way, and I plan to use 10-15 lb line on it. Soon up will be a 10 1/2 ft trigger rod that I plan to use to throw shrimp on the flats - it will have one or two double foot guides at the stripper end and single foots the rest of the way.

I don't like the single foot fly guides for casting rods application because the line is too close to the blank, especially when the blank is stressed. They look cool, though. I use the single foot spinning guides instead.

One additional consideration, which may not apply to your situation is that I find my guide feet corrode right where they emerge from the wrap (especially severe with rods used in both fresh and salt water, despite extreme care). In that case two feet are just a bit better than one from a durability standpoint.

Given your particular application and the line strength, personally I'd go with the double footed guides, or a combination of both types where the top two to three guides are single footed.

Whit

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: Greg Weaver (---.carolina.res.rr.com)
Date: January 20, 2009 02:07PM

It's always a good idea to use double foot guides all the way to the tip if your trying to add weight, reduce sensitivity and just want to take up more time wrapping twice as many feet.

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: Andrew White (---.ks.ks.cox.net)
Date: January 20, 2009 06:02PM

I have a whole set of baitcasting rods that use all single foot guides. I have everything from a medium-moderate for throwing light rapalas to a medium-heavy for throwing big Carolina rigs. They all employ a simple spiral wrap. I've not had any trouble, and they've seen a lot of miles. About the only thing I've noticed is that the butt guide (a single foot 10) on my big C-rig rod has slightly cracked epoxy. It's unsightly, but no real issue.

Since I use braid on that particular rod, and my hooksets are pretty hard, that guide takes more shock than the butt guide on any of my other rods. When I finally get tired of looking at the cracked epoxy, and it comes time to re-wrap that guide, I might replace it with a double foot 10, but then again, I might just re-wrap it as is.

On a customer's rod, I'll go with a single-foot butt guide on all but the heaviest of rods (i.e. C-rig, big jig, etc.). For those big rods, I'll use a double-foot, just so that the occasional torque won't crack the epoxy.

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: Marc Morrone (---.dsl.airstreamcomm.net)
Date: January 20, 2009 06:04PM

American tackle Ring Lock 10's make a great butt guide for bass rods. I have gone to using SF running guides on muskie rods and have no problems with durability other than clumbsy, careless anglers. I acutally like them because it gives me an idea of how well the guy takes care of his stuff. If the guides are all bent up or need to be replaced, and then he comes back with it broke, I know it's abused. Guys that take care of their stuff will have ZERO issues with SF guides all the way.

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: Ken Preston (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: January 20, 2009 08:30PM

The only time I use DF guides is when I am asked to install them - or they look "traditional" such as agate / agatine guides for strippers on fly rods... which brings up "Why ARE stripper guides on fly rods double foot?"

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: Charlie Smoote (---.pn.at.cox.net)
Date: January 20, 2009 11:58PM

The stripper guides on my flyrods aren't double footed, by any means.

In fact, all guides, including the line tamer(if used) are single footed. C2

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: George Forster (71.237.22.---)
Date: January 22, 2009 05:06PM

Durability is the primary reason that I use DF for stripper and butt guides. I had an SF Spinning guide mounted as the stripper on my dad's fly rod. He takes very good care of his equipmnet, but still managed to flatten it, maybe putting the rod in the case?! We never figured out how that happened, but I cut it off and put a DF casting guide in its place. Haven't had any problems since. Small SF's are almost immune to damage because they provide very little leverage when they hang up on, or get banged into, something. I use SF's for running guides guides. Butt guides and strippers sit a lot higher, and are easier to bend, because of the extra leverage.

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Re: Baitcaster & Single foot guides
Posted by: Walter Higgins (---.207-68.elmore.res.rr.com)
Date: January 27, 2009 09:18AM

I have been making casting rods for bass tournament fishermen for over 30 years and most of the time I use dfg because I have found I have less rods to repair that loose the ring. I do a great deal of repair work and most of it is because the ring came out of a single footed guide. With all the new material for guides these days I don't think that weight is a factor. I do a lot of fishing and work with a guide service and I have not noticed that I have lost any of the feel using dfg on my rods. I think that it is up to the individual you are making it for. Hope you all have a great day and tight lines.

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