If di-ethylene glycol can be in Chinese Toothpaste and is killing people I suspect there may just be a can of crappy alcohol somewhere in the world and it may just end up in a rodbuilders shop. Private labels are not free from mistake by someone - sometime. Somebody may have cleaned something inside the can of opened alcohol that is causing the problem.

Washing or wiping with a solvent should never be the last step in surface preparation.

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That was my point, Bill. If the name brand and the private label come from the same batch, they're just as likely to have a problem (or not). Remember the recent peanut butter recall. There were an awful lot of people very surprised to find out that about a dozen brands from JIF to store brands came from the exact SAME batch. Not different formulas, etc. The EXACT same individual batch.

Mike (Southgate, MI)
If I don't want to, I don't have to and nobody can make me (except my wife) cuz I'm RETIRED!!



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My other hobby is woodworking and recently I got into woodfinishing big time. Wood finishers have similiar problems with fisheyes. The gold standard for providing a barrier between coats or for sealing off contamination is to use dewaxed shellac. You can get it at Lowe's or Home Depot. It is called "Bulls Eye SealCoat" and is made by Zinsser. Just put a drop on the eye, sand in about 30 minutes and then epoxy away. My most recent, and extensive, use was on a saltwater rod that had bigtime fisheye problems. It works

Tom,

Then what should be the last step?

Brian

I personally do not like the idea of reusing anything when finish is involved. Mixing cup, brush, pour pan, stirrer and anything else I trash - everything cheap to start with and saves time. To much potential for contamination due to improper cleaning and solvent residuals.

Buzz Butters Wrote:
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> I had to put the first coat of finish on three different rods.

> I was @#$%&. I got out some old finish (same brand) thinking this batch was contaminated some
> how. I put this older finish over the first coat and two coats later it was covered,

And this is what still doesn't make sense to me. 3 rods with one finish all had teh same problem Same 3 rods with a different batch of finish..no problem. If it were contamination, the other epoxy he used should have had teh same exact problem.

... if the contamination was on the rod surface, the first coat could have encapsulated it. I think the likely culprit was using WD40 at all. If you can smell it across the room, you have contaminated everything exposed in the room. At least with WD40 the cleanup should not be too bad. Silicone sprays I have found near impossible to eliminate.

At least in woodworking, I used to have problems on first coats. Stopped worrying about that first coat. Lightly scrape/steel wool the first, and the following coats did much much better. Teak is a great wood to see this effect, where the first coal is largely a primer/sealer. Sounds similar to what is going on here with the first coat

Buzz was this blank an import by any chance,one of my repair customers has a series of rods made in China,I can't do anything with them re decals or thread work without first using scotch brite then a coat of permaglos, our finishes will not adhere to these blanks runs away as if the entire thing is contamoinated-it laughs at trying to clean with alcohol, even under the thread when it hits the blank the finish acts weird
John