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Another Spiral wrap question
Posted by: Warren (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: December 26, 2001 03:08PM

1. Rehab is coming along nicely but weight loss is gonna be a bi you know what.
2. How does the spiral wrap apply to 2 piece rods like a surf rod. I'm sure it CAN be done but is it advisable?
3.If it is practical then are there special considerations such as having the "rotation" to 180degrees done within the length of the butt section. Down here with my daughter I don't have any 2 piece surf rods but I'm pretty sure that the distance from the front of the reel spool to the 1st guide is somewhere between 26-33 inches..
4.Could the 180 deg guide be located on the tip section?
5.Can I just approach a 2 piece rod just as I would a 1 piece?
Thanks in advance for the words of wisdom and Happy Holidays to all. Warren

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Re: Another Spiral wrap question
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (---.dialinx.net)
Date: December 26, 2001 03:24PM

You can do it pretty much the same as you do a one piece. Twist of the tip section on the butt should be eliminated by the spiral wrap, unless it should occur during very powerful casting.

I have heard some people say they like to get to the 180 guide before they reach the tip section, while others have the first 180 guide on the tip section and have reported no problems. I hope to be able to do more work on this one day when the magazine doesn't have me as tied down.

I would think that spiral wrapped surf rods are still in their infancy. But the information file on them will grow quickly now that more and more are trying it.

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Re: Another Spiral wrap question
Posted by: Rich Garbowski (---.voyageur.ca)
Date: December 27, 2001 05:15PM

Warren,
The 2 pc. rod should benefit very well by the stability with a spiral wrap, but as Tom points out the best approach is to end the spiral prior to the tip section. I have even heard rodbuilders using the spiral configuraiton on 3 pc. rods and result with great stability.

My experience for best casting performance and distance is for 2 elements to be present. First, the best modification where you would have a direct line flow path through the spiral. For me, this seems to result with optimal casting performance as opposed to a more abrupt guide angle placement which is fine for trolling applications.
Next, I would choose performance oriented guides such as very smooth ring TiCH, TiCN, or SiC, Cermet or such. Any advantage that produces less friction and stress against the sides of the guides would allow greater line flow, but don't discount factors that also reduce line slap (thus also concept guide system). The tweaking for a correct spiral wrap, whether one or two piece requires these considerations for optimal distance.

The distance you mention from reel face to butt guide does not sound like a factor for restricted flow or possible line piling on the reel (which may be more of a factor when this distance is less than 15" or so).

Rich
Solyrich Custom Rods

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Re: Another Spiral wrap question
Posted by: Bob Vasko (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: December 27, 2001 11:12PM

You might want to consider wrapping the first 180 guide over the male ferrule of the tip section, and doing the turnover on the butt section. I know some don't recommend this, but I think this helps to support the ferrule, and it should eliminate any twisting problem. I built a downriiger this way years ago, and the rod has held up well. Just my 2 cents. Bob Vasko

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Re: Another Spiral wrap question
Posted by: Bob Vasko (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: December 27, 2001 11:13PM

Sorry, I meant female ferrule.B.v.

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