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On or off spine power/action
Posted by: Michael Danek (---.alma.mi.frontiernet.net)
Date: November 06, 2023 05:07PM

There is always a lot of discussion and debate about building on or off the spine and how it affects the finished rod. I checked a graphite 7.5 foot blank today and this is what I found. First of all finding the spine was a piece of cake, obvious without any special tool.

THIS IS ONE BLANK. I DON'T ARGUE THAT THESE RESULTS WILL BE THE SAME FOR EVERY BLANK. But I do believe that they are about what will be found for most blanks. I recently checked a 9 wt fly blank and found about the same difference.

First check, 675 IP, 75.5 AA

Rotated 180 degrees: 650 IP, 75 AA

3.7 % difference in power, AA is probably within test error. So ON THIS BLANK building any way one would choose would probably fish the same, with no perceptible difference. The only way to know how your blank will build is to measure it.

After doing this, I let the blank remain on the latter orientation and checked it for 7 feet and 6 1/2 feet:

7 feet long, IP 650, AA 75

6 1/2 feet IP 590, AA 72.5

This verifies what has often been said about cutting from the butt, power goes down, action slows.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/06/2023 05:11PM by Michael Danek.

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Re: On or off spine power/action
Posted by: Michael Tarr (---)
Date: November 06, 2023 06:14PM

Thanks for sharing, I’ll have to start testing the difference on my next builds.

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Re: On or off spine power/action
Posted by: Mike Ballard (---.nux.net)
Date: November 07, 2023 11:16AM

Only thing I see that wasn't measured was the specs when testing on the stiffest axis. 180 degrees from the softest axis (spine) is rarely the stiffest axis. Find the stiffest axis and measure there and I think you will find just a bit more difference between that and the spine.

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Re: On or off spine power/action
Posted by: Spencer Phipps (---)
Date: November 07, 2023 07:59PM

Straightest axis and stiffest axis go hand in hand many times.

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Re: On or off spine power/action
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: November 08, 2023 07:23AM

Spencer Phipps Wrote:
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> Straightest axis and stiffest axis go hand in hand
> many times.

Yes, they go hand in hand almost always. But the softest and stiffest axis are rarely 180 degrees apart. The spine and the straightest/stiffest axis are usually anywhere from about 110 to 170 degrees apart.

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Re: On or off spine power/action
Posted by: Michael Danek (---.alma.mi.frontiernet.net)
Date: November 08, 2023 05:26PM

This blank is so straight that I don't recognize a "straightest axis."

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Re: On or off spine power/action
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: November 08, 2023 05:27PM

You can find the stiffest axis by hand just as easily. It's not likely to be 180 degrees opposite the spine, but who knows... maybe you got lucky.

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Re: On or off spine power/action
Posted by: Daryl Ferguson (---)
Date: November 08, 2023 07:14PM

Interesting findings. Thanks for posting!

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Re: On or off spine power/action
Posted by: Michael Danek (---.alma.mi.frontiernet.net)
Date: November 09, 2023 07:20AM

The stiffest axis is easily found and seems to me to be close to 180 from the weakest. Maybe 170.

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Re: On or off spine power/action
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: November 09, 2023 08:55AM

170 is common. Take the measurements on that axis and most likely you'll see the power come up a little bit more. Just a little bit.

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Re: On or off spine power/action
Posted by: Justin Bange (---)
Date: November 09, 2023 12:23PM

Could you clarify the data measurements you used? AA and IP? I apologize I am not familiar with that terminology.

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Re: On or off spine power/action
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: November 09, 2023 12:26PM

Common Cents System. AA is action and ERN is power. Go to the magazine website and you can find and read the article on what it is and how to use it.

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Re: On or off spine power/action
Posted by: Justin Bange (---)
Date: November 09, 2023 12:29PM

Thanks! I was looking to far into the woods I see and couldn’t see the trees.

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Re: On or off spine power/action
Posted by: Michael Danek (---.alma.mi.frontiernet.net)
Date: November 09, 2023 04:43PM

Here is a handy web site:

[common-cents.info]

The third entry down in the Library link at the top of this forum is a handy chart. You will find it here, too:

[www.rodbuilding.org]

If you decide to make a rig, and there are ways to do it that do not require the 4 x 8 sheet of pegboard, and want some tips, let me know. I check every blank that goes through my hands. It can also be done for finished rods, factory rods, any rods.

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