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First timer trying to make a salmon/steelhead Twitching/Spinning rod would like your help
Posted by: Aaron Koo (---.bchsia.telus.net)
Date: November 22, 2022 07:54PM

Hello Community,

I am attempting to make my first rods, one for my 9 year old nephew and also one for me. The rods will be used for Twitching/Spinning rod for salmon and steelhead for the rivers near Vancouver BC (Vedder river, Capilano river, Stave river, etc..). it will be paired with a Shimano Vanford 3000xg spinning reel. I would like a 2 piece rod for ease of transport and storage. I am asking for help on selecting what blank and components to use for this rod and tips on building it.


Blank not sure on which one will suit me best
Blank North Fork Composites:
HS 7600-2(HM)
WEIGHT 1.7 oz- BUTT 0.52- LENGTH 90- ACTION Ex-Fast- LINE WEIGHT- 6-12- LURE WEIGHT 1/4-1/2- POWER Mag Light- TIP 4.4- PIECES 2

HS 7600-2(IM)
WEIGHT 1.9 oz- BUTT 0.52- LENGTH 90- ACTION Ex-Fast- LINE WEIGHT 6-12- LURE WEIGHT 1/4-1/2- POWER Mag Light- TIP 4.5- PIECES 2

HS 760-2(HM)
WEIGHT 1.6 oz-BUTT 0.52- LENGTH 90- ACTION Ex-Fast- LINE WEIGHT 8-15- LURE WEIGHT 1/4-3/4- POWER Mag Medium- TIP 4/4- PIECES 2

HS 760-2(IM)
WEIGHT 1.8 oz- BUTT 0.49- LENGTH 90- ACTION Ex-Fast- LINE WEIGHT 8-15- LURE WEIGHT 1/4-3/4- POWER Mag Medium- TIP 4.7- PIECE 2


Reel Seat what is the most comfortable? Never held them in my hand. I wear a large size glove

Fuji Deluxe Light Spin/Cast Reel Seat IPSSD 16mm
American Tackle CCT AERO Spinning Reel Seat uni lock 16mm
American Tackle AERO Comfort Finish Reel Seat 17mm

Grips North Fork Composites

1K-IPS3.75-2.0 Soft Touch
Not sure on what NFC soft grip that works with the CCT Aerro reel seat orAero Comfort seat

Guides I am not sure on, I tired Microwave guides on my friend's spinning rod and it seemed it cast smooth. Any suggestions?

Thank you in advance for your guidance.

Aaron



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/22/2022 09:04PM by Aaron Koo.

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Re: First timer trying to make a salmon/steelhead Twitching/Spinning rod would like your help
Posted by: Spencer Phipps (---)
Date: November 24, 2022 01:25AM

Aaron,
The Edge rods you see out there twitching are on the HS 760 blanks, you need the extra oomph for the larger jigs that are becoming more popular, and you could tie into a chinook also. The grip you mention is for the Fuji IPS reel seat, they are a comfortable option, but get the reel seat quickly as they appear to be out of production and being replaced with the VSS, the VSS appears to be a slightly smaller diameter and shape. A 17 mm Aero will fit any of the standard 27 mm grips in carbon, cork, Winn, whatever. A bit more expensive reel seat to buy and I personally don't see an increase in comfort over the IPS. Not knowing your location, I can't comment on guides, I wouldn't use the Microwaves in hard frost/icy conditions.

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Re: First timer trying to make a salmon/steelhead Twitching/Spinning rod would like your help
Posted by: Aaron Koo (---.bchsia.telus.net)
Date: November 24, 2022 03:44AM

Thank you for the reply Spencer!

The HS 760 is what I will get, do you recommend the HM or IM model?

For the Fuji IPS seat what is the difference between the IPSM and te IPSD? Price and gold lettering?

I will get the NFC 1K-IPS3.75-2.0 Soft Touch to go with the Fuji IPS reel seat.

I am from Vancouver BC Canada, the weather is wet similar to Seattle Washington. I am new to fishing in the wintertime, I have only fished for salmon during summer and fall when it doesn't freeze. I'm thinking about trying for steelhead for the first time this winter, not sure if twitching is effective for steelhead.
Here is the average temperature for our coldest month
Average January Weather in Chilliwack Canada
Daily high temperatures increase by 2 °C, from 5 °C to 8 °C, rarely falling below 0 °C or exceeding 12 °C.

Daily low temperatures increase by 1 °C, from 1 °C to 2 °C, rarely falling below -6 °C or exceeding 6 °C.

WIll Microwave guides be okay for this temperature? What size guides 20, 25, 30? or other suggestions?

Anything else I need to order for the components for the build?

Thank you again!

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Re: First timer trying to make a salmon/steelhead Twitching/Spinning rod would like your help
Posted by: Norman Miller (---.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net)
Date: November 24, 2022 10:43AM

The difference between the IPS M vs D is price, gold lettering, and hood color. I almost always buy just the reel seat without a hood. This gives me the option of using the hood I want, such as KSKSS, KSDPS, or SKSS. The VSS 17 and the IPS16 seat have approximately the same OD, so quite similar. The problem is that NFC doesn’t make a soft touch grip for the VSS17. Not a big fan of the Aero reel seat, but it also has an OD similar to the IPS and VSS17 seats, but in my opinion not as comfortable. I also prefer Fuji KR guides vs AT microwave guides, but that’s your choice.

Norm

PS - The AT CF G2 Fore grip sleeve in matte 3K carbon is a perfect match for the NFC 1K soft touch grip, and will fit the Fuji KSKSS 16 hidden thread hood.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/24/2022 10:53AM by Norman Miller.

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Re: First timer trying to make a salmon/steelhead Twitching/Spinning rod would like your help
Posted by: Aaron Koo (---.bchsia.telus.net)
Date: November 24, 2022 11:01PM

Thank you for the reply Norm!

I think the rod would look better with your suggestion of using the hood that you want instead of what Fuji gives you. Currently The Mud Hole only has 2 IPSM16/B in stock and I need 3 reel seats. If I buy the IPSM-16BC can i remove the Fuji hood and one of the hoods that you suggest?

I know nothing about guides, I just saw that my friend had Microwave guides on his rod and he said it casts well. What are the differences between the 2 different guides?

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Re: First timer trying to make a salmon/steelhead Twitching/Spinning rod would like your help
Posted by: Norman Miller (---.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net)
Date: November 25, 2022 10:10AM

Sure, just remove the hood that comes with the reel seat and replace it with another type. All of the Fuji hoods will fit all the standard Fuji reel seats of a given size. In fact, in some cases, but not all, you can even use hoods from other manufacturers.
Both the microwave and KR concept systems are designed to rapidly choke and control the line coils coming from the spinning reel so the line is smoothly fed into low profile running guides. They do this in slightly different ways. The microwave system uses a double ringed butt guide coupled with a single transition guide to fed the line to the low profile running guides. The KR concept uses three high frame small ringed reduction guides, specifically grouped according to size, to fed the line to the running guides. In my side by side tests, the KR concept casts a little better, but not by much. Many people like the microwave system because the manufacturer gives you a specific guide layout, so it’s easy to set up. Sort of a one size fits all. I like the KR concept because of the versatility it affords in setting up different blanks with different line and different reels. Since both work well it’s just a matter of personal choice.
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Norm

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Re: First timer trying to make a salmon/steelhead Twitching/Spinning rod would like your help
Posted by: Aaron Koo (---.ipv6.telus.net)
Date: November 26, 2022 01:52AM

Norm,

Thank you for your help again!

That's a relief about being able to take off the Fuji hood, there none available now without a hood on Mudhole.


For the HS 760-2(HM) Twitching rod I was looking at KR Concept page and I am trying to figure which set to use A, B, C or D to use with a Shimano Vanford 3000xg?

Conventional Rods 30-50lb Braid
(Mono or fluoro to 14lb)
KR Group 3 Guide

A: 3 guide: KL25H, KL12H, KL7M

KR Group 4 Guide

B: 3 guide: KL25H, KL12H, KL6L

KR Group 4 Guide

C: 4 guide: KL25H, KL12H, KL7M, KL6L

KR Group 4 Guide

D: 4 guide: KL25H, KL12H, KL8M, KL7L
(Use 4 guide trains for light action rods that bend deep into the bottom section and/or rods over 9 feet.)

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Re: First timer trying to make a salmon/steelhead Twitching/Spinning rod would like your help
Posted by: Norman Miller (---.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net)
Date: November 26, 2022 11:48AM

Any KL25H based reduction train is way, way over kill for a 3000 reel. What size braid are you planning on using? 30-50 lb braid is also way overkill for the rod, reel, and type of fishing you are planning on doing. For your rod and reel combination using 10 to 20 lb braid, or mono up to 12lb. I would use a KL20H, KL10H, and KL5.5M for the reduction train guides, and size 5.5, 5, or 4.5 KB/KT running guides with a matching LG tip top. The size of the running guides would be your choice. I would use 9 to 10 guides total (not counting the tip-top). The butt guide would be about 20” in front of the reel spool and the choke guide (first running guide) about 24” in front of the butt guide. The running guide closest to the tip top will be about 9 to 10 cm (3.5” to 4”) away from it. So basically, progressively fill in the other two reduction guides between the butt and choke guide, and progressively place the remaining running guides between the choke and tip top. You can certainly move the choke and/or butt guide in or out a little to get the progressive spacing you like. Static test to fine tune the layout and then test cast. If you need specific help with the layout just contact me and I’ll be happy to help.
Norm

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Re: First timer trying to make a salmon/steelhead Twitching/Spinning rod would like your help
Posted by: Spencer Phipps (---)
Date: November 26, 2022 01:11PM

I suggest something real close to Norm, I think I would use a 6L and 6 mm runners because I have no idea what size slipknot you tie for slip bobber use on your long rod, also there is no way I would fish 14 lb. flouro on your reel. As is you may have to be fast on your feet if you pick up a fish in the tailout and get pooled into the next lower pool. Heavy braid to flouro knots will also be a concern if you use them. You tie into a good sized chum (dog) salmon and you are going to have a handful on that reel.



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Re: First timer trying to make a salmon/steelhead Twitching/Spinning rod would like your help
Posted by: Norman Miller (---.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net)
Date: November 26, 2022 01:57PM

Spencer is absolutely correct. If using a slip knot or fishing in freezing weather, then larger running guides may be more appropriate. In this case go with a KL20H, KL10H, and KL6L for the reduction train and use size 6 runners, as Spencer suggests.
Norm

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Re: First timer trying to make a salmon/steelhead Twitching/Spinning rod would like your help
Posted by: Aaron Koo (---.bchsia.telus.net)
Date: November 27, 2022 07:58PM

I was thinking of using 30# braid with 15# Fluorocarbon leader for twitching since that is what I had read on some forums and saw on youtube. That is why I listed those larger guides, but thanks to you your suggestions I will buy smaller guides. I have never tried twitching so this will be me first rod build and first time twitchingI was thinking of using 30# braid with 15# Fluorocarbon leader for twitching since that is what I had read on some forums and saw on youtube. That is why I listed those larger guides, but thanks to your suggestions I will buy smaller guides. I have never tried twitching so this will be me first rod build and first time twitching. I appreciate all of your help and guidance!. I apprciate all of your help and guidance!

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Re: First timer trying to make a salmon/steelhead Twitching/Spinning rod would like your help
Posted by: Denham Bruce (---)
Date: November 27, 2022 10:45PM

Might want to consider a blank with a larger tip diameter than those you mentioned. I've found that I'm not a fan of fishing a rod with too light a tip while I'm twitching. The tip needs to be stout enough to "pop" a 1/2oz jig or heavier on a long cast and a lighter rod just won't move the jig enough.

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Re: First timer trying to make a salmon/steelhead Twitching/Spinning rod would like your help
Posted by: Aaron Koo (---.bchsia.telus.net)
Date: November 29, 2022 10:17PM

I ended up ordering 2 HS 760-2(HM) for the build along with NFC soft grips for the IPS reel seat. I was thinking about using a Shimano Vanford 3000xg or 4000xg spinning reel, what size would be appropriate for this build?

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