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Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: El Bolinger (---.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 18, 2022 12:37AM

I was told by a representative at NFC to ask here about finding an offset reel seat and grips. He wasn't sure if any of the grips they have are offset, does anybody know any offset reel seat and offset grip?

I found the Fuji ECSM reel seat which is slightly offset, but it's not clear if the seat sits low with the trigger higher up closer to the blank - like I'm looking for - or if they mean the trigger is at an angle.

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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: Spencer Phipps (---)
Date: November 18, 2022 04:58AM

Wiebe than Super Sticker made the offset seat. Edge Rods used a US built copy on their Black Widow rods last I had one in my hands.

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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: El Bolinger (50.233.0.---)
Date: November 18, 2022 10:00AM

So it seems the only place to actually get anything offset is to buy a rod from Edge? Because Wiebe and Super Sticker are dead and nobody else has anything like it.

Can you buy foam core or cork with no hole already in them so that I could try to just make something like it myself?

Maybe slice a flat side into a cork grip and glue another piece on top?

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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: Spencer Phipps (---)
Date: November 19, 2022 01:51AM

Back in the day we would cut a brick arbor to the required angle and install it on the back of the reel seat, we would than pass a drill bit through the reel seat hole to give you the correct angle necessary. We would than install the tube grip onto that arbor after cutting it to the angle to match the reel seat, 12 degrees if I remember right, but I just laid the reel seat in the cut off saw and adjusted the blade to match the angle than swapped in a tube and cut it. The rear arbor is a standard centered arbor. Something very similar is how they install the Black Widow hand laid tube grips I bet.



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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: Norman Miller (---.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net)
Date: November 19, 2022 11:08AM

I have an offset GLoomis exposed blank reel seat I salvaged from a broken rod. The ID is about 13.5 mm. It’s not new but is functional. If you want you can have it, just contact me. I will never use it. The reason no one makes an offset reel seat any more for rod builders is that no one wants to fool with them. In my opinion, they are a pain to fit with a grip and don’t really offer any added benefits over a standard ECM seat, or any of the other more modern casting reel seats.
Norm

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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: Spencer Phipps (---)
Date: November 19, 2022 11:28AM

If you have some round framed reels in your arsenal the offset reel seat and grip raise the thumb higher and decrease to cross section of the reel seat enough to make them more comfortable to palm all day, at least that is my experience. Abu C3, Calcutta 251, Quantum PT Cabos are the ones I use.

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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: Norman Miller (---.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net)
Date: November 19, 2022 12:13PM

That may true for those high profile casting reels. For the modern low profile casting reel it’s probably a wash.
Norm

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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: Matt Ruggie (---)
Date: November 19, 2022 03:09PM

Spencer Phipps Wrote:
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> If you have some round framed reels in your
> arsenal the offset reel seat and grip raise the
> thumb higher and decrease to cross section of the
> reel seat enough to make them more comfortable to
> palm all day, at least that is my experience. Abu
> C3, Calcutta 251, Quantum PT Cabos are the ones I
> use.

never used any off set seats but this makes perfect sense. on a rod even the older low profile BC reels sat a good bit higher than what we're buying today

love those C3s too

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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: Jay Dubay (---.try.wideopenwest.com)
Date: November 19, 2022 04:35PM

EL is this what you're looking for?? { [www.schneidersrods.com] } Classic "Drop" Trigger Seat Handle Assembly, Quality Cork Grip
Very Comfortable And a "Must" With a Spin-Cast or Earlier Round Body Reels
Slight Downward Angle Of The Rear Grip For Extra Comfort
Easier On The Wrist With Any Reel
Long Enough For Two-Handed Casting
Or, Just Cut To The Length Desired

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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: El Bolinger (---.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 20, 2022 09:21AM

@JAY - how does that attach to a rod?

@NORMAN - I appreciate the offer my man, is there a pic online somewhere so I can see what it looks like?

You guys really think it makes no difference in comfort or anything?

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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: Norman Miller (---.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net)
Date: November 20, 2022 03:14PM

Here are a few pictures of the GLoomis offset casting reel seat I have.
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Norm

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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: Spencer Phipps (---)
Date: November 20, 2022 05:11PM

I believe the offset toward the trigger was pretty close to 3/8-inch OC and you maxed out at around a 9/16-inch ream before the trigger was compromised.

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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: Norman Miller (---.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net)
Date: November 20, 2022 05:52PM

The ID of this reel seat is about 13.5 mm throughout its length. This was the size used on the broken blank from which it was salvaged.
Norm

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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: El Bolinger (50.233.0.---)
Date: November 21, 2022 10:42AM

@NORMAN - Thanks, I'll be honest it looks like the "offset reel seat" is really just a reel seat with a bump towards the back to line up with an offset grip - the triggers on a number of seats sit lower or higher but that one doesn't look unlike others that sit higher, the only difference being that hunch back. The pics helped me compare to what's available on the market and I think I can just try to make an offset grip eventually and it should work. thanks!

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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: Spencer Phipps (---)
Date: November 21, 2022 11:09AM

El,
There is no bump in the reel seat, the entire seat including the ramp the reel's foot sets on is lowered toward the blank, this helps me feather the reel easier (straighter thumb path) and not overextend my wrist while casting all day. Another ergonomics thing, no different in value than balance and guide type/number to others. I have one reel seat and cork grip kit for salmon/steelhead rod left for a special rod.



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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: Norman Miller (---.lightspeed.jcsnms.sbcglobal.net)
Date: November 21, 2022 11:16AM

As far as I know the offset Wiebe/supersticker G Loomis reel seat is the only offset reel seat I know of, and it’s no longer produced. It has a 15 degree off set, making it difficult to fit to a handle. If you are thinking of the old Fuji speed stick casting handles, similar to those shown at Schneider’s rods, they were either glued or ferruled onto the end of the blank. They are also not made any more. There are good reasons why these offset reel seat/handles are no longer available. The modern reel seats are lighter, very comfortable, and much easier to install. The Fuji ECM reel seat is still one of my favorites, and I’ve tried most of them over the years.
Norm

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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: El Bolinger (50.233.0.---)
Date: November 21, 2022 11:18AM

@SPENCER - Looking at every single seat listed on Mudhole there appears to be a number of them that would allow the reel to sit as low as possible and the trigger to sit as high as possible. SO long as the trigger is sitting low and the grip is made to sit high it should have the same affect as a seat "designed" or marketed to be offset. I can't see how some of these other seats can be more offset than the trigger almost testing on the bottom of the blank and the seat resting the reel almost on top of the blank.

I think particularly split seats, trigger is super high and seat top as functionally low as possible - just add an offset grip and that should do the trick.

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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: Spencer Phipps (---)
Date: November 21, 2022 01:22PM

El,
I guess my time in engineering makes me see things a bit differently, if something starts being designed on center, and something else is designed 3/8 inch off center there is no way for the on center design to make up the difference, nor can it make up for the way the Wiebe tips the reel down towards your thumb at the same time, at best it can make up one half, or 3/16 inch and on center. Are we seeing things the same, or am I off center myself? The Wiebe designs, and there are many different ones, came out late 70's early 80's and were used by many companies over the years. They were never the cheapest because they were US made and involved many custom pieces including custom cork and stabilized wood.



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Re: Offset reel seat and grips
Posted by: Tim Scott (---.source.akaquill.net)
Date: November 21, 2022 02:07PM

There was a Japanese company, maybe Smith? I think they still make rods with them for the round reels.

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