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Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Gary Goldsmith (---)
Date: October 12, 2020 12:45PM

Any recommendations on a power wrapper for a hobby builder? Not planning on any commercial pursuits. Thanks.

Gary

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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Keith Langford (---.health-partners.org)
Date: October 12, 2020 01:39PM

I like my Alps power wrapper, everything you need to wrap and finish.

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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Michael Ward (172.58.159.---)
Date: October 12, 2020 05:09PM

2nd the ALPS - you can use it to finish wrap and finish at speed and then put it on slow dry rotation.

The "spring arm" supports (2 of which come with it) can be a little finicky with the blank popping out if you put lateral pressure, but I've found by alternating the direction of the supports (forward / aft) that it helps this.

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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Michael Ward (172.58.159.---)
Date: October 12, 2020 05:09PM

2nd the ALPS - you can use it to finish wrap and finish at speed and then put it on slow dry rotation.

The "spring arm" supports (2 of which come with it) can be a little finicky with the blank popping out if you put lateral pressure, but I've found by alternating the direction of the supports (forward / aft) that it helps this.

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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Gary Goldsmith (---)
Date: October 12, 2020 05:38PM

Dumb question. These power wrappers will work on fly rods? That is mostly what I will be building. Any recs on the best place to buy?

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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Joe Vanfossen (---.neo.res.rr.com)
Date: October 12, 2020 08:30PM

For anything from Batson, Utmost Enterprises is about the best place to purchase. They offer very fair discounts off of MSRP for retail customers and have top notch service. I believe their page lists the price you pay for the wrappers, so I don't think you get a discount off of that number, but it compares favorably with others on the market.

I use a CRB hand wrapper with the extruded track, but if I wanted to go full power, I would have leaned toward the Alps. That headstock/chuck system is the same one used on miniature metal lathes, and will serve you well.

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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Robert Ford (---)
Date: October 12, 2020 08:37PM

I have a pac bay wrapper with an Alps chuck upgrade. You want the Alps chuck.

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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Gary Goldsmith (---)
Date: October 12, 2020 09:14PM

There is alps wrapper and the forecast. Both by the same manufacturers. Looks like the big difference is the chuck. Any inputs on the difference? Again not building for commercial use.

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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: roger wilson (---)
Date: October 12, 2020 10:59PM

Gary,
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The big difference IS the chuck.

Pay the extra money to get the improved ALPS chuck.

The Chuck is the item that holds your rod for all of its work as well as when drying etc.

The forecast chuck has been around for a long time and is much less expensive than the ALPS chuck, but the difference is more than worth the monetary difference in price between the two chucks.

Over the years, I have build a lot of different power wrappers. But, the real secret to a successful wrapper - with all other things being equal is the chuck. i.e. pay for a quality chuck that works for you 100% of the time with no fussing or diddling with the chuck in the middle of a build. It makes a big mess is you are 1/2 way through a drying cycle and when no one is around the rod falls out of the chuck. NOT fun. Of course you can jury rig work arounds to avoid these issues. But, better to pay the piper up front for the quality chuck from the get go and have 0 issues looking long down the road of ownership.

Best wishes.

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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Gary Goldsmith (64.191.49.---)
Date: October 12, 2020 11:39PM

Thanks guys. Just to confirm, no problem wrapping fly rods on a power wrapper?

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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Norman Miller (---)
Date: October 13, 2020 12:01AM

I personally think it's easier to wrap fly rods by hand. You have multiple pieces and the wraps are short. I would not waste the money on a power wrapper if you are mainly making fly rods. Excellent rods can be made without a power wrapper. Make sure this a hobby you will pursue, before making such a large investment. I have been wrapping by hand for over 50 years. I own a high end power wrapper but never use it for wrapping.
Norm

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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Gary Goldsmith (64.191.49.---)
Date: October 13, 2020 12:06AM

Thanks Norm. Can you elaborate on why you think fly rods are better find by hand? What hand wrapper so you use? Thanks.

Gary

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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Norman Miller (---)
Date: October 13, 2020 12:55AM

Most modern fly rods are 2, 3, or 4 pieces, thus the pieces are relatively short and easily manipulated. You can put two pieces together to wrap closely to the ferrule, if needed. All you really need is a thread tension device fixed in front of you and your two hands to hold the blank piece. If you make a mustake, you just backup your chair to unwrap, and continue to wrap. When finished just move the rod piece in you hand and wrap the next guide, no need for you or your thread carrage to move, just the blank piece. If you prefer wrapping left to right or right to left just flip the rod blank around if doing double ft guides. I like wrapping left to right, and because of this I place my trim thread spool to the right of my main wrap spool, which makes it easy for me to add or drop a threads. If you want or need a rod support, you can use any of the commercial hand wrapper supports , or just put a chair next you and use the chair back as the support. Might take a little more manual dexterity, but it comes pretty easily. I started building rods when I did not have a lot of money, so I built on a budget, and over the years I have wrapped thousands of rods, by hand. As I mentioned I have a very nice power wrapper, but I find that it just slows me down, I just can't get use to using it. I might be the exception to the rule, but hand wrapping works for me.
Norm



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/13/2020 01:01AM by Norman Miller.

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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Norman Miller (---)
Date: October 13, 2020 12:55AM

Sorry for the double post.
Norm



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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Jim Ising (---.dthn.centurylink.net)
Date: October 13, 2020 09:38AM

Flex Coat DC777. Flexcoats new machine does anything you want at any speed you want from hand wrapping to 12" base wraps at blazing speed. Friendly.

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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: John Cates (---.austin.res.rr.com)
Date: October 13, 2020 02:31PM

Gary

Our new DC777 is great for fly rods, whether you are wrapping them by the piece or all together. I have personally sold to 4 fly rod builders in the last month and they are extremely happy. This machine leaves all others behind. Jim Ising knows. I would be glad to talk to you over the phone or email.
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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Kendall Cikanek (---)
Date: October 18, 2020 08:07PM

I agree. I’ve wrapped with a few different systems. Now, I ‘d have to be wrapping a lot more rods than I ever will to plunk $400 into a power wrapper and good chuck. Manually turning the rod just isn’t that difficult with a good hand system. This gives a fine level of control and $300 - $350 left over for blanks and components. The Sully is a truly great hand wrapper, but the $50 CRB system works just fine.

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Pieroway rods
Posted by: William Giokas (---)
Date: October 23, 2020 08:09AM

Has anyone built this rod. The rods are made offshore but the company is in Alberta , CA. Thanks Bill

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Pieroway rods
Posted by: William Giokas (---)
Date: October 23, 2020 08:10AM

Has anyone built this rod. The rods are made offshore but the company is in Alberta , CA. Thanks Bill

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Re: Power wrapper rec
Posted by: Gary Goldsmith (---)
Date: October 24, 2020 07:06PM

I ended up with the Alps machine. Honestly, to me even if I hand wrap it's so much nicer than the CRB hand wrapper. All in for under $400. Seems like a small investment for a lifetime machine even if I only build for myself and friends. Thanks for all the recs.

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