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First concept guide build
Posted by:
Greg Obermiller
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Date: January 31, 2018 04:44PM
Building my second steelhead float rod. And want to do a "concept" guide train. Building on the pac bay tradition 2 13' 6-10lb 3 piece blank. Going to be using pac bay minima guides. A combination of their match, zv, and f running guides. So far my plan is a size 20 match. 16, 10, and 7 zv. And 7 f all the way to the tip top. The guide height difference is about 14mm for the reduction guides. Its that to big of a difference? And about 8 from the last reduction guide to the running guides.
Any input would be great. Thanks in advance. Re: First concept guide build
Posted by:
Greg Obermiller
(73.109.61.---)
Date: January 31, 2018 05:02PM
Acutal guide heights
Size 20 match - 47mm Size 16 zv - 33.9mm Size 10 zv - 21.25mm Size 7 zv - 14.4mm Size 7 f - 8.7mm The reason I want the minimas is cost and weight. My last rod I built is the same length but used steel ceramic guides and its kind of tip heavy. Don't want that with this build. Also I plan on wrapping a f guide for the tip top instead of a glue on one. Since there's no ring to be damaged I figure I can save a little weight at the tip that way. Re: First concept guide build
Posted by:
Tom Kirkman
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Date: January 31, 2018 06:29PM
You need to let the line path dictate your guide sizes. You can't predetermine guide sizes and then force the line path to conform to that.
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Posted by:
Greg Obermiller
(73.109.62.---)
Date: January 31, 2018 06:43PM
I should mention this will be a centerpin rod. With a small chance of using a spinning reel. But thank you. Ill have to do some more research before I makena final decision. Re: First concept guide build
Posted by:
Jim Ising
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Date: February 01, 2018 10:54AM
Tom is right. Even Fuji's "Rapid Choke" method in the KR Concept does NOT argue with the fact that guides need to be the right height for the job. You can choke a little faster but don't attempt to push, pull or force the line in a direction it does not want to go. MANAGE it. That's the beauty of a well designed layout. Re: First concept guide build
Posted by:
Greg Obermiller
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Date: February 01, 2018 11:58AM
Appreciate the info guys. This is only my second build. I figured I could take established guides that I got from a builder and just bring it to the blank faster by eliminating some reduction guides. Luckily I'm building it at a local rod building shop that lets people build their own. Is taping the guides in place sufficient enough to do a static test and possibly cast some line through it before I wrap them? Re: First concept guide build
Posted by:
Lance Schreckenbach
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Date: February 01, 2018 02:44PM
Tape will work just make sure it is on there good you may want to try small plastic cable ties . Also Fuji SS framed Alconite guides weigh less than Minamas of the same ring size..They just cost a little more. Re: First concept guide build
Posted by:
Greg Obermiller
(73.109.56.---)
Date: February 01, 2018 11:03PM
So my blank showed up today. Shipped in a pvc tube. And they some how figured out a way to smash it. Cracking the lower third blank where it meets the middle section. Thanks usps. Re: First concept guide build
Posted by:
roger wilson
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Date: February 03, 2018 09:09AM
Greg,
Don't be upset. In shipping millions of items every day, stuff happens. That is why you want to be sure that insurance is always carried on things that are shipped. Accidents happen. Go with the flow, and have the insurance ship you a new part. Good luck Re: First concept guide build
Posted by:
Greg Obermiller
(107.77.97.---)
Date: February 05, 2018 12:04PM
For sure roger. I think it was a blessing in disguise. The tip of the blank had some waves in it so I dont think it wouldve lasted long anyways. Luckily he was nice enough to upgrade me to a rainshadow xst1562f for well under msrp. Should be here today. Hopefully start my build this weekend. Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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