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Lumiseal Question
Posted by: Chris Tulk (---.dsl.bell.ca)
Date: September 16, 2015 09:03AM

Hi All,

I am putting the final coat on a carbon grip I made (I have made several). This time I wanted to try Lumiseal since I had a bottle on my bench. I watched Tom'video on YouTube and I seamed pretty straight forward.

When I opened the bottle it had a skim on top of the finish. After poking through I managed to pour some out into a cup. It was thick. Much like a light build epoxy would be. Watching Tom's video I thought the product was suppose to be very thin. When I applied it caused bubbles on the finish that did not pop during curing It was also wiping off as it was spinning, I think because it was going on thick? My laith is a belt type and I had it set at the lowest rpm, 500.

Few questions

1. Can't the product be thinned?
2. I assume I can sand and recoat?
3. Can I sand and apply epoxy over it if I choose to go that route?
4. Is the product suppose to be thin like Testors paint for example?

Thanks on advance for all your help!

Thank You,

Chris Tulk

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Re: Lumiseal Question
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: September 16, 2015 09:09AM

It should be almost water thin. It can't be thinned, it can be sanded and recoated.

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Re: Lumiseal Question
Posted by: Chris Tulk (---.dsl.bell.ca)
Date: September 16, 2015 09:33AM

Hi Tom,

Well now I know what the problem was.

Can I put epoxy over it after I sand it?

Thank You,

Chris Tulk

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Re: Lumiseal Question
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: September 16, 2015 10:16AM

Yes.

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Re: Lumiseal Question
Posted by: Paul Pipke (---.vf.shawcable.net)
Date: September 16, 2015 10:44PM

Chris,
I have had the same problem with the last 2 bottles (unopened) and so I contacted roddancer and they told me I could thin with xylene.
Xylene unfortunately didnt work for me, if anything I think I ended with more bubbles after thinning?
Evidently my supplier has old stock or some that froze according to the person I contacted.

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Re: Lumiseal Question
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: September 17, 2015 08:55AM

It's not freezing that does it - it's moisture. These are moisture curing urethanes and even the slight bit of air trapped in the bottle, if it contains enough moisture, will tend to cure the product.

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Re: Lumiseal Question
Posted by: Chris Tulk (---.dsl.bell.ca)
Date: September 17, 2015 09:26AM

My bottle was also never opened. I have read several times on this form the same issue. The product starting to cure in the bottle before it has ever been used. It's a good product I am sure but it seems you are taking a chance with it.

This of course is just my observation and limited experience with the product.

Thank You,

Chris Tulk

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Re: Lumiseal Question
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: September 17, 2015 09:50AM

Both Lumaseal and PermaGloss suffer from the occasional cured-in-the bottle problem. Trondak claims to have solved the problem with PermaGloss by using a new type of bottle cap. Either way, both manufacturers will generally replace product that has cured in an unopened bottle.

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Re: Lumiseal Question
Posted by: Chris Tulk (---.dsl.bell.ca)
Date: September 17, 2015 10:48AM

I understand. But I live in Canada and having to ship across the border doesn't make sense to return it.

Anyway I do not find it to be that big of a deal. I don't sell fishing rods for a living. This build is for a gift for a friend of mine.

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Re: Lumiseal Question
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: September 17, 2015 11:03AM

Call the supplier and see if they'll send you another on your word. I know this gets into tricky waters but it's worth a shot.

Lumaseal is going to provide you with a nicer top coating than any epoxy will.

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Re: Lumiseal Question
Posted by: Chris Tulk (207.164.79.---)
Date: September 17, 2015 11:06AM

Ok you've talked me into it. Stay tuned.

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Re: Lumiseal Question
Posted by: bill boettcher (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 17, 2015 11:47AM

Permagloss is thinner then Lumiseal I have found Just move faster sets quick

Bill - willierods.com

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Re: Lumiseal Question
Posted by: Paul Pipke (---.vf.shawcable.net)
Date: September 18, 2015 12:18AM

Tom Kirkman Wrote:
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> Both Lumaseal and PermaGloss suffer from the
> occasional cured-in-the bottle problem. Trondak
> claims to have solved the problem with PermaGloss
> by using a new type of bottle cap. Either way,
> both manufacturers will generally replace product
> that has cured in an unopened bottle.
>
> ...............….

Not in my case, I was very disappointed after contacting them they had not offered to exchange in some form?
I had no other options for local suppliers in western Canada either and after my second bottle I figured it was futile to try another from the same supplier.

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