I noticed on my twitter and facebook account people have shown builds where they are using embroidery thread and sewing thread on their wraps.
1st I am not accustom to using these threads.
2nd does the color preserver work on this thread?
3rd How do they hold up under UV?
4th What problems can I see using these threads?

There are a boohoo of wonderful threads if using them is applicable.
Can anyone give their experience with common sewing threads?

Build your dreams and dream what your going to build.

G'Day Ed I've been using embroidery threads for some time now around 6-7 years & never had a problem with them .I use them for my guide wraps also & despite the best efforts of my son non have ever let go That said I normally build 8-10 lb rods as they are in demand in my location I guess that there a tick over 100 rods that I have wrapped.As for cp I use it religiously s.as the thread contains silicon that is used for the machine .Make sure that you purchase the polyester thread & not the rayon .
As for UV protection I haven't noticed any fading what so ever The advantage is the range of colours they have .I hope I have been of some help

Regards Baz

Bundeena
NSW Australia

Barry
Thanks for responding
Do you get any fuzz or air problems when you epoxy?

Fuzz will depend on the type of thread. stick with polyesters and nylons and you should be good. Rayons and cottons have been known to have issues.

Chris Richer
Iroquois ON

Ed,

The topic of embroidery threads came up a month or so ago with respect to lubricants. I was lured into using embroidery thread by the vast array of vivid colors. After half a lifetime of the same old gudebrod nylons, it was exciting to have so many new opportunities to express my creativity and moods. So, I have started using Madeira which is lubricated. A poster in that thread wrote that the brands of thread they use may be lubricant free. His post peaked my interest, so I emailed or telephoned each company mentioned in the thread and was disappointed to learn that all the embroidery threads are lubricated. This means if you decide to start using embroidery thread, you will have to decide how to deal with the lubrication added to the thread. You can't really ignore the lubricant. You may be lucky initially, but sooner or later you're going to experience finish problems.

There are two schools of though on how to deal with the lubricants. Color preserver, and using a section of the thread added to the epoxy finish during the mixing stage. I use color preserver. I do not add thread to the epoxy - to me, this approach (if it actually works at all) leaves too many variables. Who's to say that if you try it and it worked that that is the actual reason why it worked? Sometimes, you can finish over lubricated embroidery thread and use no color preserver or thread in the epoxy and still get good results. Among the two approaches, color preserver is the more reliable and consistent approach so that is what I do.

If you're like minded in that color preserver is the way you want to work with embroidery thread, then you have to decide for yourself where you want to use color preserver on your rods. This is one of those hot button topics with many differing opinions. Is the use of color preserver on guide wraps going to be a problem for the rods you build. For many people no, for others it can be. I fall into the latter group of people.

I build rods mostly for a charter fleet that see severe duty. I don't want color preserver on my guide wraps. I prefer to have epoxy soak through my thread all the way to the blank. When you use color preserver first, it prevents the epoxy from soaking through to the blank, the epoxy ends up being a coating over the thread which is not as strong. Is this a big deal on your panfish rod? Probably not, that's why I recommend that you decide for yourself if color preserver is appropriate on your guide wraps.

This is the approach I've settled on:

Dec Wraps:
I use Madeira Polyneon 40 (lubricated embroidery thread) with or without some of my old stock of Gudebrod regular and NCP threads (unlubricated nylon) for decorative wraps. Unless I am doing something like an old school tartan wrap or plaid bleed, I'll color preserve the decorative wrap.

Guide wraps:
I use mostly my old stock of Gudebrod regular and NCP supplemented with other colors of nylon threads from current manufacturers to closely match colors in my Dec Wrap. As I do not apply color preserver to guide wraps, this means I have to have samples of all the threads with finish applied over various sample blank colors so I know what the final color will look like.

This kind of approach takes a commitment in both materials and supplies to do right. You need to build enough rods to justify so many spools of thread. It's not for everyone. If you're a casual builder you can build however you want. if you experience a problem, you can just fix it and move on. I can't afford to do that.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/15/2015 07:45AM by John E Powell.

Barry, Chris, and John
Thank you
Great information. The reason for this question now more than in the past. I am getting a lot of request for young ladies and children rods where pinks and purples are a main color. I have a lot of these colors solid.
In embroidery thread I see where they have mixed colors more available for what I am wanting to do.

Build your dreams and dream what your going to build.

Barry

"Make sure that you purchase the polyester thread & not the rayon".

What are the issues with rayon embroidery thread? I just purchased some rayon embroidery thread to wrap a spinning rod for my 3 year old Grandson. I asked my daughter-in-law what color thread wraps and she told me the same colors as the GT40 colors. I could not find a wrapping thread that matched the GT40 orange so I went with embroidery thread that is made of rayon. Should I forget using the rayon and go with a ProWrap Colorfast thread that is close in color?

Please share your thoughts,

TKS,

Don Campbell
don@sensorfishingrods.com

Barry

"Make sure that you purchase the polyester thread & not the rayon".

What are the issues with rayon embroidery thread? I just purchased some rayon embroidery thread to wrap a spinning rod for my 3 year old Grandson. I asked my daughter-in-law what color thread wraps and she told me the same colors as the GT40 colors. I could not find a wrapping thread that matched the GT40 orange so I went with embroidery thread that is made of rayon. Should I forget using the rayon and go with a ProWrap Colorfast thread that is close in color?

Please share your thoughts,

TKS,

Don Campbell
don@sensorfishingrods.com

Rayon has a tendency to fuzz up. Search here for Rayon for other issues.

Chris Richer
Iroquois ON

Rayon has a tendency to fuzz up. Search here for Rayon for other issues.

Chris Richer
Iroquois ON

G'Day Donald 1 reason as Chris stated Rayon will give you fuzzies & 2 it is not as strong as the polyester .Another side issue I find is that that the polyester threads appear to have more shine to them .AS for Pro Wrap I not had good results with it .It maybe that I have a bad bunch & that's all I say because I don't want to bag a sponsor on a couple of reels of thread

Regards Baz

Bundeena
NSW Australia