What are good applications for Match guides and tips?

Light to medium power spinning rods, back when the first long spool Daiwa spinning reels reached the U.S.they came out with a series of rods called the Aero that came with match guides, G Loomis used them on their lighter powered steelhead rods before that, they were used in Europe and Japan long before that. I haven't used any line heavier than 10 lb. soft mono with them, that I remember.



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Neil,
I generally use a match guide for the stripper guide on most of my builds to get the height that I want.

Be safe

As mentioned above, they are great on lower power rods, and could work on heavier rods provided you don't abuse them. The taller frames are a bit more susceptible to bending than a Y frame guide of comparable height due to the longer lengths from the blank to the ring. The bit I'm going to add is that you need a supple line to pass through the match guides, such as a light mono or a braid, stiffer monos and fluoros will not pass through the smaller ID as well.

I've used them on a couple pack rods, but I still find the traditional Y frame guides to give a more aesthetically pleasing look to a reduction train (when it matters).

It really depends on the application and end user as to whether or not I reach for the match guides.

Joe

I use Minima 4 Match guides for the reduction train on light Spinning rod (drop shot rods).
Same concept as Fuji KR concept before KL High become available.

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Eric
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I like a match guide for a butt guide, then SV style for transition guides, then fly guides for runners. Don't care for the match running guides and tips.

Thanks - Marc

Keep it simple - that's all I can handle!

X-2 Marc

Time to ask a crazy question. What are "matched" guides? I've searched and really didn't see what I was looking for.

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Freddwhy (Rapt-Ryte)

Thanks much for the information. I'd ordered some and they weren't quite what I expected.

Thanks again

I believe that before I started building rods I had a Bass Pro Shops branded medium spinning rod that used match guides with ceramic rings.
Rog

The basic idea of the match guides were rather similar to the current small guides that we have today.

i.e. they use much smaller guides on these rods than was typical for the day. Then, in order to keep the line loops from banging on the rod, and slowing the line cast, they elevated the entire guide train from the rod. In a word, they worked very very well.

However, due to the fragile nature of the elevated small guides, they soon fell into limited use for the general fishing population.

But, if you were to put one of the full set of matched match guides on any spinning rod today, you would find that you would get very good casting and fishing performance with the guide set. They still work very very well.

Be safe

The basic idea of the match guides were rather similar to the current small guides that we have today.

i.e. they use much smaller guides on these rods than was typical for the day. Then, in order to keep the line loops from banging on the rod, and slowing the line cast, they elevated the entire guide train from the rod. In a word, they worked very very well.

However, due to the fragile nature of the elevated small guides, they soon fell into limited use for the general fishing population.

But, if you were to put one of the full set of matched match guides on any spinning rod today, you would find that you would get very good casting and fishing performance with the guide set. They still work very very well.

Be safe

In the last 13 years i was building a lot of long fishing spinning rod on fly blank+extension using SIC MATCH guides.In the same time i was changing some fly rods (SAGE RPLX G.LOOMIS IMX 9' W10,W11,W12) in spinning rods using SIC MATCH guides for fishing in salt water..
I am fishing just with artificial from the bank just with long spinning rods(over 10' ) using braid 4 lb. -10 lb.+fluorocarbon leader.

Fishing with one bolognese rod(i am from Europe) build by me on one 16'4" telescopic graphite pole TRIANA GRAND SLAM(made in Italy) with SIC MATCH guides and FIRELINE ORIGINAL SMOKE 4 lb.+14 lb. fluorocarbon leader and ABU-CARDINAL STAMINA DRAG 600U (ultra-lite reel for fresh water) i was able fishing in moving water(ROLLOVER PASS channel in BOLIVAR PENINSULA ,TEXAS) i was able to catch on jig from the bank one 40 inch ,23 lb. red fish(C&R) and another big fish like black drum,30 inch speckled trout.

Fishing in fresh water, with the same FIRELINE ORIGINAL SMOKE 4 lb.+4 lb. fluorocarbon leader i was catching on jig a lot of white bass and some 15 lb.(buffalo carp,gar fish ,flat-head catfish,paddle fish fault hooked and release) and never have problems with my MATCH guides in the last 13 years.

Like Roger Wilson say ,"they still work very ,very well "

I built one ultra light spinning rod with Batson Match guides, 4'-6'' putting 7 guides and a tip on it . More for playing around then anything, and was so blown away by its performance over other ultra lights with 3 or 4 guides that it started a quest for how and why.

Realizing that the performance improvements came both from the extra guides and small rings. It started the quest for applying the same improvements to longer spinning and bait casting rods. Which led to discovery of Micro guides and using them on bass rods, obtaining the improvements sought after.

The rest is history.

Steve Gardner Wrote:
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> I built one ultra light spinning rod with Batson
> Match guides, 4'-6'' putting 7 guides and a tip on
> it . More for playing around then anything, and
> was so blown away by its performance over other
> ultra lights with 3 or 4 guides that it started a
> quest for how and why.
>
> Realizing that the performance improvements came
> both from the extra guides and small rings. It
> started the quest for applying the same
> improvements to longer spinning and bait casting
> rods. Which led to discovery of Micro guides and
> using them on bass rods, obtaining the
> improvements sought after.
>
> The rest is history.

Thank you Steve!! For everyone here is our website for ALPS and ForeCast guides: www.alpsforecast.com

Steve,

I spoke with you at the expo and you mentioned that you had some recipes for some micro-guide casting rods. I left the expo...drove 5 hours...built my workbench and setup my rod building gear Sunday night. I have a blank and I want to do a spiral wrap micro-guide job. I have all the notes I wrote down in my phone and I think I will be able to manage most of the way. If work would stop getting in the way I would like to start on it this weekend. Any recipes and guidance would be well received to lessen my learning curve a bit. First timer and all. Thanks in advance for the help. Also I wanted to try a graphite/carbon grip like the one you showed me. If you have any info on that I would appreciate it. I am in research mode all week to build my first bass rod. All purpose short stick (6'6"). I want to try a lot of concepts on this rod and just involve as much as I can on this first go to find out what I like and don't like. Spring is fast approaching and those fish won't wait on me! Thanks!

Jared