I have built a couple fluke rods with spirals and now I want a striper/cod rod with spiral. I heard that it mite "pull" the 2nd guide off the blank since the pressure will be on the side of the insert. does this happen with the heavier rods? I try to transition the line fast to the underside so I tend to use less guides. for fluke rods its not bad but just curious about the heavier rods. thanks!!!!

OMG, lmao. No, it doesnt' happen. Spiral wrap it and stop worrying, what blank?

I build all of my musky rods spiral wrapped, I have yet to have a guide pull off. I have even used size 4 alconite fly guides as running guides with no problem.

Hello Greg.

Last summer I brought a Tiger Shark(about 300#) to the boat with a spiral wrapped Seeker GTS 60XH, great fight.

Tight Wraps.

Bob,

New Bern, NC.

bill, its an old seeker 748 that I showed you a couple years ago at your gathering in si. I didn't like the way it came out the first straight wrapped time so im redoing it spiral. whats the new seeker for that model?

There should not be any pressure on the side of any guides
if there is Adjust - with pressure on the rod so the line lays in the bottom of the ring - not the side

I always let the line tell me where the guides go -- With pressure on the blank as fish on

Bill - willierods.com

IT's an Inshore Heavy. DOn't stress it too much, leave teh first guide up on top, turn the next to so the line touches when it's fully flexed, and turn teh rest to teh bottom. It'll be fine like that, and you won't have to worry abotu cleanign teh blank since the guides will go in teh same places. IT's not 100% perfectly ideal doing that, but you'll be fine with that particular blank.

SOunds like oyu need to come to another gatheirng, lol.

There doesn't have to be any side pressure on the 2nd guide. It all depends on what spiral system you choose.

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If you are using Guide Resipies for certain ways to place guides

They are are all Subject to Adjustment If they are not just right -- Adjust them You are not going to Destroy the way the rod performs You will make it perform Better

Bill - willierods.com

not trying to hijack... but do you guys think the bumper setup or the revolver style puts less stress in relation to the original question? will be trying my first spiral next build for offshore jigging and will be using 25-30#s of drag fairly regularly which is why i'm nervous since its my first one

In the Simple Spiral, there is no side pressure on any guide. The Bumper guide is pushed directly into the blank, provided you set it up properly.

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As others have suggested, load the blank and let the line tell you where guides need to be between 0 and 180 degrees.

You can do as Billy suggests and just use one small guide to get the line around the blank, or you can use two - let the rod tell you what it wants.

How the rod will be used, the size and style of the reel, and how the blank flexes when fully loaded (taking into account where it is supported or held in the hand) are all factors that may play a part in determining the size and location of transition guides in the spiral.

The key thing about the Simple Spiral is that there are no transition guides. Just something to consider.

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Tom Kirkman Wrote:
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> In the Simple Spiral, there is no side pressure on
> any guide. The Bumper guide is pushed directly
> into the blank, provided you set it up properly.
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This is exactly how mine setup. Both the 2nd and 3rd guide, the line pulls down into the frame.

I place my butt guide dead center. Looking down the butt guide if I just slightly look left I can see a clean path through the 2nd guide into the 3rd guide. My 4th guide is my first runner on the belly.

Obviously there are 100 and 1 ways to spiral. I've seen a rod with like 5 spiraling guides laid out just inches from each other. Trippy lookin but I bet it works just fine.

James Zimmerman Wrote:
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> not trying to hijack... but do you guys think the
> bumper setup or the revolver style puts less
> stress in relation to the original question? will
> be trying my first spiral next build for offshore
> jigging and will be using 25-30#s of drag fairly
> regularly which is why i'm nervous since its my
> first one

I have a spiral wrapped Garfighter that I fish with 27# of strike, it about 35# at full. The stick has fought a lot of fish. Even a couple that stripped the reel with full drag. The guides are doing just fine.

I assume that you will be using a reel that doesn't have a level wind. If so I offset the first guide to the left by 45 degrees. This makes reeling easier. Instead of having to push the line back and forth to level it, you only need to push it to the right. It will come back to the left on its own.