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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/15/2013 08:50PM by roger wilson.

There is nothing unconventional about the microwaves upon retrieve.... they are simply a set of #5 running guides, a # 6 transition and a #6 butt. There is no way this acts any different than a cone of flight system, a ncg system or any other on retrieve.

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Super Tight Lines......Don

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/15/2013 08:48PM by roger wilson.

Roger,
i have used the 30/8 sized version for over a year now on 90% of my spinning builds with no problems.
Used for throwing prune picker lures, top waters, snobbling from piers, weight plus bait,live bait, no problems.
Braid and mono.
The smaller ones i have only used with inline spinners since they came out a few months ago, no problems there yet but too short a period to sample in.
I cannot see why it would or even why it could be worse than a regular high frame of the same size though.
The ring in the middle is no smaller than say the ring on a line guide on a baitcaster reel and that causes no problems on retrieves.
Or the small hole in a closed faced spinning reel.
Curious as to why you think there could be one?

Interesting thoughts....I have them on rods for bass tourney guys and they throw all day long, all weekend long, but their lures are a lot lighter.

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Super Tight Lines......Don

roger wilson Wrote: But my question does not
> relate to Casting the line - rather it relates to
> the retrieve of the line - on a straight rod,
> during a heavy lure retrieve.

If the rod is straight then teh line shouldn't be dragging on any guides?

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/15/2013 08:48PM by roger wilson.

How much friction is present depends upon the amount of force pressing the surfaces against each other. Assuming you're not using the reel as a winch against a fish, and are simply retrieving slack line or line only loaded by a lure, there isn't much friction present.

Of course, the one way to know for sure is to try it.

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Roger,
I understand what you’re saying and it can be an issue with spinning rods, especially with heavy lures (or even lures that have a lot of water resistance such as crankbaits). It’s an inherent characteristic of spinning rods that they cannot be retrieved easily when under load….such as fighting a fish or retrieving heavy lures. The smaller guides might exacerbate the problem. As you know, the rod should normally be lowered and then slack taken up in the process. It’s probably a good practice with casting reels as well, but they can be reeled under load much more easily, which makes them preferable for some types of fishing. I guess if the customer is happy with the “solution”, all is well. He may be misguided in his choice of spinning for that application, but if it “works” for him, great.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/15/2013 08:49PM by roger wilson.

But the line can also touch guides without there being much friction, certainly none to be concerned about nor causing any practical difficulty.

You might want to ask your friend to what extent this "friction" was causing a problem. The greatest amount of friction is present when a large fish is taking line against the drag. Does he experience any undue difficulty in that situation?

My guess is that he is creating a problem where none actually exists.

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The more I think about this, your customer is creating a problem that doesn't actually exist. So what if the line rubs the guide ring on the retrieve? Is he having a hard time retrieving the line? Is he unable to retrieve the plug without a sweat inducing effort on the reel?

Let's be realistic - you could tie on a T-60 Helin Flatfish, which pulls about as hard as any lure ever made, and it wouldn't cause enough line-to-guide friction to even remotely create any practical difficulty on a MicroWave or NGC system. It's just not an issue. It's in his head.

I know it's sometimes easier to just do what the customer requests than to educate him or her, but my gut tells me this guy is upset by what he's seeing, not what's actually happening. The purpose of the guides is to control the line. The line is supposed to rub the guide rings. It's not a problem. If it was, then a MicroWave or NGC system wouldn't be able to outcast a COF system, which they do on a routine basis.

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tell him you have to take the guides off and re- alien them --At A Price

he wants some thing that sounds like Can Not Be Done ????
take the rod reel on and retreve his lure weight and see what is going on with it

Some times the Customer Is Not Always Right !!
if he knows so much let him rebuild the rod ???? Or stop smoking that Stuff

Bill - willierods.com



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/15/2013 08:49PM by roger wilson.

As long as the Customer Liked the changed results and was happy
That is bascaly what maters

And then he ordered more - a good thing

Bill - willierods.com

But your original post also mentioned more drag.....there cannot be more drag just because of the size of the guide ring. You have a round object (fishing line) touching a round object (the guide ring). No matter how big the line or the ring are there is VERY little contact made between the two. The guide is just that...a guide. It guides the line to the reel.

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Super Tight Lines......Don

"He felt the lines was touching the guides too much" So there wasn't a problem, outside of what he perceived by virtue of what he was seeing. No actual difficulty was encountered.

That was my point - nothing at all wrong with giving the customer what he wants, but we don't want to put forth the idea that any MW or NGC system creates friction that causes any sort of practical difficulty - they don't. This "problem" is in his head, nowhere else.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/15/2013 08:49PM by roger wilson.

I am trying to figure out how the line did not touch the guide?

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Super Tight Lines......Don

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/15/2013 08:49PM by roger wilson.