What works much better for me than PAM ( a cooking spray for low fat food) in mist and rain is a small bottle of dawn at 10% dilution in water.
Dawn is a hand dish washing liquid detergent here in the USA, Europe may have Sunlight, Fairy Liquid or Joy if i recall correctly.
You may need to refresh every 15 to 30 minutes in the rain but extremely thin lines can stick on surface film of water and detergent cuts right thru it.

If you want to see DAWN in action and there are water strider insects in the area you are in, spray in front of them and watch them sink. Please scoop them out and rinse them afterwards though; they are important to the river's ecology.

You might Google an outfit called "Ultra Ever Dry" and take a look at their product. Your line would not cling - not at all - to the blank. It's a pricey product, but it might be worth the time and the price for the result.

Sounds pretty good. That could help break the surface tension on the blank too. I' ll give a try...thanks for the tip.

The "how to test" was funny. Dont worry..i'll take your word for it and i'll leave them happy on the surface :).No sinking plans in the near future :)

A lot of good tips guys ...thanks.

Now I just need to put in a balance the pros and cons....

Some tip maybe for a guide setup if I decide to do it? UL 6'6" blank with a size 1000 Daiwa Luvias? Stripper,transition,choker sizes? Down to size 2 nanos? The minimum ID-s that I can use ? I think the M type guides or KH-s would be ok.
But some ideas for minimum ID-s?

' pam " spray cooking oil , ask wife / girl friend comes in a spray can , in fact olive oil might work [ have not tried it yet ]

what about the blank being used

Is it light enough to cast these light lures maybe a little on the stiff side
maybe a fly rod blank
The simple thing is if the guides are to close to the blank and the line is ( sticking ) to the blank higher guide frames
maybe a mod-fast IM 6 blank With higher framed guides to keep the line off the blank ??

Bill - willierods.com



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2013 06:20PM by bill boettcher.

Mi,
If this fellow has a rod that is one of his favorites and uses it to his complete satisfaction, why do you really want to change anything?

What would be any potential gain for the fellow using different guides?

What would be any potential loss for the fellow using different guides?

It really sounds like the fellow has a very successful combination the rod that he has. Normally, when a person has such a fine combination, any change is likely to be measured in the small % point changes - but possibly in the large % losses.

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Rather than touching this fellows rod, why don't you just take another blank or rod, and try the rod with his current guide combination taped to the rod - for casting small lures with light line.
Then, take the tape off of the rod and tape on a set of the nano guides that you have on hand.

Then, repeat the tests on the test rod with the nano guides and document the differences, on both dry line, as well as doing it with water spraying on the rod, line and casting person to get a good idea of wet weather performance.

By doing the testing on a "test rod" you are not touching this persons "favorite" rod, until you have gathered some relevant test data.

My guess is that you are going to be hard pressed to see any difference in the rod's performance.

Do the testing and let us all know.

Inquiring minds would like to know.

There is no advantage to use nano guides on a rod, just because they are nano guides - unless you actually can measure a performance difference. If the guides weigh a gram or two difference, the average person will never be able to tell any difference in the rod's action. But you might see some casting distance difference, and I am tending to think that for all of your total test results - dry, wet, calm and windy, that you are going to lose distance with the smaller guides.
But test and let us all know.

Roger

Roger has said some thing I was thinking about
Are the guides TOO small ??

Only with several types of guides ( maybe a different blank ) will you be able to get any results
but YOU will have to do some testing to see ( IF ) you can make it better ??

Bill - willierods.com

If the rod is built for performance rather than aesthetics, why not give the blank a water break free surface? It might be dull to look at, but will naturally break the surface tension of water, and minimize water beaded up for the line to 'catch'.

Joe

Gabriel;

I have used guides down to 1.5 m with no problems, but not on baits that light.

I would suggest trying this;
Take the mans rod, and WITH OUT REMOVING any of his guides (in case tests are not successful).

Tape the guides you intend to use on the opposite side of the blank from where current guides are on the rod (static test to locate best positioning, and quantity needed) Tape a guide on for the tip, that way you won't have to remove it either
Tape a reel to the rod opposite opposite side from where it is designed be.

Take it out and test things; Casting, line stick, anything you think you should be tested. Run tests through both set of guides and compare results.

The rod will most likely not cast as far with both sets guides on it (because of the extra weight). But you will be able to tell which set performs the best.
From those results you can then make the decision which set of guides to use. In fact let your client do the casting and let him decide.
I did this couple years back to see if one particular guide setup out performer another. The results outstanding and definitive.

This will allow you to get the results you need without damaging the man's rod or removing any of his guides

Steve,
Good idea
Roger

Thank you Mr. Gardner. Definetly this is the most painless method to try and compare. I'll do this way.

To be honest...i waited an asnwer from you here..And...its worth it :) ..The easiest way...

Hope the magazines arrived already.Sorry for offtopic..but sometimes you are easier to reach here..then on your mail.

Thanks.