I have noticed that most of the older surf or larger bank rods have an aluminum tube under the entire handle assembly. Why was this done ????

On another note I am building a 8 foot rod for bank fishing and am adding carbon fiber handles. Would the aluminum tube help keep the multip pieces from flexing. My worry is that in the event you hang into something large that the flex of the base of the rod could cause problems with the handles. Each individual part would be flexing and potentially binding up against each other.

I thought about a rubber type Oring between each part but really dont like that idea as I would like a more seemless approach. My last rod had the aluminum tube so that was not a worry. This rod doesnt have one and it has me wondering if I should find one for it.

thanks

It was a common practice on 1960's era surf rods, particularly from Conolon. It allowed handles to be constructed en masse and apart from the rest of the rods. The pieces were then joined as part of the final assembly. Daiwa, and others, often built bass and similar type rods on short lengths of carbon fiber or glass and then joined them to the rest of the rod. Again, this facilitated the building of handles which could be used on several rod models. This was common even on rods made well into the late 1990s.

I'd recommend it for one-off builds. You'd have to source the proper aluminum and with today's lighter graphite rods it would create a very heavy assembly. Just not at all necessary.

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Tom Kirkman Wrote:
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> It was a common practice on 1960's era surf rods,
> particularly from Conolon. It allowed handles to
> be constructed en masse and apart from the rest of
> the rods. The pieces were then joined as part of
> the final assembly. Daiwa, and others, often
> built bass and similar type rods on short lengths
> of carbon fiber or glass and then joined them to
> the rest of the rod. Again, this facilitated the
> building of handles which could be used on several
> rod models. This was common even on rods made well
> into the late 1990s.
>
> I'd recommend it for one-off builds. You'd have to
> source the proper aluminum and with today's
> lighter graphite rods it would create a very heavy
> assembly. Just not at all necessary.
>
> .................


Well that all makese sence and may be a way for me to keep some handle / reel seat combos in stock for future builds. I could make up several all at once and just glue them to whatever rod im building.

My question though is do you all feel there is a need for the tube when using the CF grips. My worry is that under a larger than normal load the flex will cause the multipl pieces ( rear gip, reel seat, fore grip ) to bend and rub against each other causing damage. A O-ring seems like a way to avoid the issue but to me is not a clean cut alternative..

Maybe im overthinking things I dont know...

thanks

I use Carbon Fibre tubes for handle build ups and extending blanks. They work really well and are light and strong. The tubes I use are designed for use in RC model aircraft as the wing tubes for control cables etc. They also have the carbon fibre pattern which is great for split grips. They are available in all sorts of ID/OD combinations.

You don't need to build on an aluminum tube. The CF grips won't have any problem with your rod flex.

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Chris Beverley Wrote:
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> I use Carbon Fibre tubes for handle build ups and
> extending blanks. They work really well and are
> light and strong. The tubes I use are designed for
> use in RC model aircraft as the wing tubes for
> control cables etc. They also have the carbon
> fibre pattern which is great for split grips. They
> are available in all sorts of ID/OD combinations.

I thought about this as well.. Where are you getting the tubes ?????

Pultruded fiberglass tubes may be a little less expensive.

[www.goodwinds.com]

[www.goodwinds.com]

Don Becker

Donald Becker Wrote:
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> Pultruded fiberglass tubes may be a little less
> expensive.
>
> [www.goodwinds.com]
> l?cat=carbon.pultrudedcarbon
>
> [www.goodwinds.com]
> l?cat=fiberglass.pultrudedfiberglasstubing


I really like the fiberglass tube idea but im having trouble finding one with a .75 - .80 ID....

You may want to search on carbon fiber tow or fiberglass tow.

The fiberglass tow may be the least expensive way to accomplish your goal. However, it may be the most labor intensive.

Don Becker

Donald Becker Wrote:
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> You may want to search on carbon fiber tow or
> fiberglass tow.
>
> The fiberglass tow may be the least expensive way
> to accomplish your goal. However, it may be the
> most labor intensive.


What is fiberglass tow ??????

Casey Abell Wrote:
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> Donald Becker Wrote:
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> -----
> > You may want to search on carbon fiber tow or
> > fiberglass tow.
> >
> > The fiberglass tow may be the least expensive
> way
> > to accomplish your goal. However, it may be the
> > most labor intensive.
>
>
> What is fiberglass tow ??????

[www.fibermaxcomposites.com]

The terms yarn and tow are often interchanged. I believe you are looking for tow.

As I understood it, you are desiring to strengthen the handle. Run a dual helix wrap over the section you desire to enhance.

Don Becker