Greetings
I have some questions about color preserver and metallic thread. I am just about done wrapping a rod with metallic thread for the guide wraps. Butting up to that will be polyester thread for the trim. The polyester thread is the exact color I want it to stay so I need to make sure I give it 3 coats of color preserver. I will be using U-40 color preserver for that. My question is this. The trim butts up against the metallic thread. There is no way to cover the trim without getting some of it on the metallic thread. Will the color preserver affect the metallic thread? Should I cover both the metallic thread on the guide wraps as well as the polyester thread with the color preserver? If I do that how will it impact the metallic thread? Thanks for your help! I will post pics when I am done finishing it.

Kevin Gross
Many men will spend their whole life wondering if they made a difference. Marines dont have that problem - Ronald Regan

Hi, Kevin. if you get a little on the outside edges of the metallic it won't be noticeable. I'd go for that and then just put finish over your metallic guide wraps, youll get a better bond this way than applying cp over it.

Warning!
Even with CP many colors will NOT stay exactly as on the spool and will darken half a shade or more sometimes. Also, it's like painting a black wall with white paint and
expecting a true white wall with one coat. Ain't gonna happen! The dark blank will do the same as the wall.

Raymond Adams
Eventually, all things merge, and a river runs through it..

Kevin says the trim butts up against the metallic silver, if he coats the trims with cp and just gets a slight amount on the start of the metallic, i really cant see it discolouring, infact ive done this once on an occasion using madeira for the trim and gudebrod lime green metallic for the guide wraps, never had any discolouration when i went slightly over on to the start of the green after applying finish.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2012 07:04PM by Steve Mcleod.

Steve Mcleod Wrote:
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> Kevin says the trim butts up against the metallic
> silver, if he coats the trims with cp and just
> gets a slight amount on the start of the metallic,
> i really cant see it discolouring, infact ive done
> this once on an occasion using madeira for the
> trim and gudebrod lime green metallic for the
> guide wraps, never had any discolouration when i
> went slightly over on to the start of the green
> after applying finish.

Very true. The CP isn't going to discolor the metallic thread unless he applies it way to heavy without wicking off the excess and ends up with some white haze.

Kevin said "The polyester thread is the exact color I want it to stay " so I added my warning. I should have advised him to do a test wrap using the poly thread
with CP to be sure any slight color change won't surprise him during the build.

Raymond Adams
Eventually, all things merge, and a river runs through it..

Kevin,
Test, test, test, before you apply finish to your rod.

Take an old blank and put on some identical wraps that you have on your new rod. Wrap a dozen different test sections on the test blank.

Then, try several different methods of finish. i.e. no cp, one coat of cp, two coats of cp. Cp over just the nylon thread, cp over everything etc.
Then, apply a couple of coats of finish and take a picture and document your test results.

You might find that you might actually prefer the look of having the color go darker on the nylon thread with out any cp.

p.s.
I never build a rod where I have two different adjacent colors with different threads that I try to match. It is nearly impossible to get an exact color match on two different types and brands of thread, so I don't try. Rather, any time that I have two different thread types, I make sure that the colors are contrasting, rather than matching. that way there is never an issue in trying to match.

p.p.s.
The one thing that I frequently do is to use nylon thread with no CP to get a perfect color match to the color of the blank.

Again, before doing this, I will test, test, and test. I will do a test wrap on the blank with the thread in question and then completely saturate it with DNA. The DNA will darken the non NCP thread by about the same amount as what happens when finish is applied with no CP. If I get the thread color match to the blank under these conditions, I will go ahead and wrap the blank. Then, I will often use a contrasting metallic thread for trim wraps to bring a splash of color to the blended thread wraps on the blank.

Roger

Kevin,
Test, test, test, before you apply finish to your rod.

Take an old blank and put on some identical wraps that you have on your new rod. Wrap a dozen different test sections on the test blank.

Then, try several different methods of finish. i.e. no cp, one coat of cp, two coats of cp. Cp over just the nylon thread, cp over everything etc.
Then, apply a couple of coats of finish and take a picture and document your test results.

You might find that you might actually prefer the look of having the color go darker on the nylon thread with out any cp.

p.s.
I never build a rod where I have two different adjacent colors with different threads that I try to match. It is nearly impossible to get an exact color match on two different types and brands of thread, so I don't try. Rather, any time that I have two different thread types, I make sure that the colors are contrasting, rather than matching. that way there is never an issue in trying to match.

p.p.s.
The one thing that I frequently do is to use nylon thread with no CP to get a perfect color match to the color of the blank.

Again, before doing this, I will test, test, and test. I will do a test wrap on the blank with the thread in question and then completely saturate it with DNA. The DNA will darken the non NCP thread by about the same amount as what happens when finish is applied with no CP. If I get the thread color match to the blank under these conditions, I will go ahead and wrap the blank. Then, I will often use a contrasting metallic thread for trim wraps to bring a splash of color to the blended thread wraps on the blank.

Roger