I happened to glance at one of the new tackle magazines and noticed that a commercial rod was being sold with high frame micro guides.
i.e. micros that are 1-1 1/2 inches up off of the blank.

This is advertised to be able to run fewer guides and still keep the line off the blank.

Do any of the suppliers have such guides?

Roger

Roger,

Take a look at Pac Bay. I have match frame guides with aluminum oxide rings down to 4mm or 5mm in my spinning guide supply. I picked them up from Utmost when they had some match guides on closeout. They were either Pac Bay or Batson, I believe.

Joe

Joe,
Yes, I understand that. I have some of those guides myself.

However, I was wondering if any one has seen the new looking micros on a tall foot for both spinning and casting rods?

Roger

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Bill - willierods.com

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Roger -

Do you have intentions of using tall guides used on spinning rods on casting rods in order to keep the line off the blank?

What size ring do you include in your definition of micro guide?

These proto types have been tested on both [www.rodbuilding.org]

Using higher framed guides on casting rods (guides on top) will exacerbate the tendency of the rod to try and twist when under load.


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I guess I am missing the point of using "micro" guides. I thought the point was to put the rod on a diet & lose weight. Taller frames just weigh more?? With three legs? And more torque on a casting rod as Tom says. No need on a spinning rod. Where would you use them?

Bill,
I wanted to do some some comparative testing.
I wanted to compare the performance of identical blanks - being built with micros - both casting and spinning and then to compare the performance of the same identical blank built with high frame micro guides.

Of course I am familiar with the theory of micros as well as blank twist. But I wanted to build up 4 rods on the same blank 2 casting and 2 spinning and either verify the theory or disprove the theory.

Theory is fine, but in the hand testing then gives one confidence in the theory.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Roger

Roger, to each his own. You must have whole lot of time on your hands.

Inquiring minds want to know.
Roger

But
how whould they fit on a casting Conventional rod Like said more weight and you will be Fighting the rod from twist even worse then Micros

Bill - willierods.com

Maybe. But in theory, several fewer guides.

Roger

The idea of high frame guides with a small ring comes from UK match fishing. They use spinning rods (those who don't use poles), very light lines (1-4 lb) and often fish in wet and windy conditions. The high small ring is supposed to inhibit the line from sticking to the blank when wet and reducing casting distance.

I have seen these guides, Bill had prototypes at the show 2 years ago. The problem I have with them is holding up to rough handling, the first guide on all the casting rods I have is the one that takes the most abuse from things like putting rods in or out of rod lockers, or when you have them piled up in the co-angler rod area. I have had to replace several first guides and the idea of one that sticks up high just waiting to get bent doesn’t seem like a good idea at all, I want the guide as low as possible there.

Mike this is another of those - "In the beginning (He) created the heavens and the earth". One of the major production companies who was trying to beat others to market with rods using micro guides actually tested the guides in the picture - this was before any micro rods were on the market. They were worried about the slope from reel to butt guide - until the stark reality hit them in the face. You have been in contact with him on other projects - can you imagine the warranty return rate for a bait caster using those things? You should recognize what they are and in what stage of the stamping process they originated.

Roger, those who have first hand experience using micro guides on casting rods do not depend on "theory". Experience is more applicable to this market. Theory is a term which is more applicable to the classroom - Those Who Can Do Do - Those Who Can Not Teach! When you build your first micro rod please post a picture and post performance comparison data you feel will advance the craft.



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You have been told by The Micro master

I do not think there is any thing to Disprove Bill has done the Research

Bill - willierods.com

The guide under discussion were not intended for casting rods. The high frame small ring guides were originated for use with closed face spinning reels. Back in the days when the cone of flight was the rage, the match fishermen began using closed faced match reels to negate the effects of wond on the line. So, obviously cone of flight was no issue when the face cover choked the line at the reel face. So, the high frame guide was used to create as straight a path from the reel face to the tip top. The sue of these guides carried on to open faced reels, and I set one up through discussions with Gregg Holloway. The stripper guide has only a size 10 ring placed 32 inches from the center of the reel seat.

Roger, go build the 4 and then post photos of each with the results, so that we know they are actual and not just.............theory!!!!

My theory is just use good 4mm guides on top. I've been to spiral land and 6,5,4 world. Now I just keep it simple. The performance is so good I don't fret about it any more.

I am looking at a picture of an "elevated" single foot micro on an Airrus KW Nano-Fusion on page 18 of the March Outdoor Life. It is supposed to help prevent "line rub".

I am offering a reward to anyone that can prove "line rub" is bad on a bass rod.

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