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Re: Is CP the devil?
Posted by:
Tom Kirkman
(Moderator)
Date: December 22, 2011 07:32AM
It shouldn't be hard to measure thread tension with a simple scale, or even a hanging weight system. The thing is, the proper tension for any given rod or guide will vary depending upon a lot of factors. You wouldn't want to wrap a guide on a lightweight, thin-wall graphite blank anywhere nearly as tight as you would a roller guide on an 80lb class trolling blank. I couldn't begin to come up with a system that would state the optimum thread tension for any given rod, not without one heck of a lot of work anyway. Unfortunately, proper thread tension has so many variables that we're stuck with experience being the best teacher.
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Posted by:
JIM MOWL
(---.stat.centurytel.net)
Date: December 22, 2011 08:37AM
Col,
Good information. Scott, Didn't mean to hi-jack your post but thread tension affects uniform thread color with or without CP as well. Re: Is CP the devil?
Posted by:
Bill Stevens
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Date: December 22, 2011 09:16AM
Fibers and resin form a composite with physical properties.
That is how blanks are made. Nylon thread wetted/encapsulated with rod finish form a composite with physical properties. This composite holds guides in place. Tension is important - when the finish is applied thread relaxes, in a sense stretches, Pull testing of guides with only thread in place will not result in the same results with thread and finish composite Re: Is CP the devil?
Posted by:
Scott Kelly
(---.mycingular.net)
Date: December 22, 2011 09:18AM
Thanks for all the info!
I filled the tunnels with CP early yesterday and put a coat of finish on late last night with no problem to show. One reason I always preferred to get epoxy in the tunnel was that I have had the finish crack right there before. The last few rods I did had several guides do this. They were all finished with Thread Master. I went back to Flex Coat with this batch. We'll see how that goes. Re: Is CP the devil?
Posted by:
David Dosser
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Date: December 22, 2011 10:09AM
I still put epoxy in the tunnels, but I just make sure I have CP in there as well. When I put epoxy in the tunnels, I just go across the back of the foot with a tiny brush. I don't necessarily force a lot of finish in there, just enough to seal the gap so to speak. David Dosser Coshocton, OH Re: Is CP the devil?
Posted by:
Rick Heil
(---.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
Date: December 22, 2011 02:47PM
JIM MOWL Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Tom Kirkman Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Some years back we performed some pressure > tests > > on guides that had been A. wrapped but not > coated > > with anything, B. wrapped and coated with CP > and > > epoxy, C. wrapped and coated with epoxy only. > The > > side pressure limit difference between CP > wraps > > coated with CP and without (epoxy only) was > less > > than 7%. In other words, using CP does not > create > > inherently weak guide wraps. > > > > What we found was that as long as something > formed > > a "shelf" along the edge of the guide foot, the > > guide frame would distort before any slippage > > would occur. This can be done with either CP or > > epoxy, although being much thinner it takes a > > great deal more CP to achieve it. > > > > My point earlier is simply that it is the > thread > > that holds the guide to the rod, not the CP or > the > > epoxy, although you are certainly correct that > > they do tend to stabilize the guide within the > > thread. > > > > ................... > > Thanks for the interesting info Tom. > It leads me to the next question that has been > beat to death and answers are as vairied as CP > preferences...how much thread tension, and is > there such a thing as too tight, other than the > obvious indications of thread fraying or braking? > I've heard too tight can cause blank failure, > tight but still be able to move guides for > alignment but my ability and their ability to move > guides is probably different. Different size > guides give better leverage ect ect.....It may > sound like splitting hairs but I have pondered > getting an inch pound torque wrench to use on the > thread tensioner so when I find just the right > tension I can replicate it as close as possible > every time.....Can you say obsessive compulsive??? > HE HE! Interesting! I have read this with great interest and its sparked a question about thread tension. I did a search on our site for this topic alone and there is allot of .....(seeming) information on just how much tension is applied to thread with wrapping. I also read about a tool measuring tension applied. I have seen many different devices for getting what the builder desires in getting their satisfactory results. I am sure every builder has there preference in the tools they use as do I. The question that I have in this thread is what Jim commented about here Quote: ( I've heard too tight can cause blank failure) This I feel needs more incite and I have not read anything about this in my time on the boards or perhaps I missed it. With respect to all builders out there do we have any more on this subject matter ? Have a good day today folks! Rick H. rwheil@msn.com Website [www.facebook.com] [home.comcast.net] Re: Is CP the devil?
Posted by:
JIM MOWL
(---.stat.centurytel.net)
Date: December 22, 2011 03:24PM
Rick,
I heard this long before forums and chat rooms. not even sure if it would be true with todays blanks. I would like to know if it is true also. Hello? Myth Busters....... Jim Re: Is CP the devil?
Posted by:
Rufus Rhoden
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Date: December 23, 2011 08:17PM
CP is not the devil (but they may be relatives) Rufus Port Saint Lucie, FL Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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