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EVA behaves differently at longer lengths.
Posted by:
Ken Tong
(---.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net)
Date: December 15, 2011 01:32PM
I had only used 2-4" sections of EVA for split grips until this morning when I tried to put a 12" section on a sturgeon build. It was no problem to get .5" ID over much larger blanks with short pieces of EVA. It was impossible for me (who lifts weights regularly and can bench 225lbs, so I'm not feeble by any means) to get the 12" .5" ID section down a blank area with a OD of .52"-.63". I got it down maybe 7" before I had to cut I off before the quickbond set...
I guess I'll need to ream out the EVA like cork on the longer sections...I guess what they say about assuming things is true... Hopefully this saves someone the aggravation I went through... Re: EVA behaves differently at longer lengths.
Posted by:
Tom Kirkman
(Moderator)
Date: December 15, 2011 01:35PM
Yes, and no. With a grip that long you need epoxy underneath it all along its length. Have you read the mounting instructions for EVA on the FAQs page?
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Posted by:
Ken Tong
(---.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net)
Date: December 15, 2011 01:42PM
Yes, and I out plenty of quickbond above where it was intended to go...maybe I didn't put enough... Re: EVA behaves differently at longer lengths.
Posted by:
Ken Tong
(---.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net)
Date: December 15, 2011 01:45PM
^put, not out. Re: EVA behaves differently at longer lengths.
Posted by:
Tom Kirkman
(Moderator)
Date: December 15, 2011 01:47PM
When you cut it off, what did you find - any dry areas between the blank and grip?
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Posted by:
Russell Brunt
(---.mercymiami.org)
Date: December 15, 2011 02:39PM
I wouldn't use "quick"bond. In many ways I like west systems best but regular rod bond is fine.
The harder the EVA is the less it stretches. The wood grain looking stuff was very hard to expand. A push board does help. Russ in Hollywood, FL. Re: EVA behaves differently at longer lengths.
Posted by:
Ken Tong
(---.mycingular.net)
Date: December 15, 2011 02:51PM
In my frustration, I got some epoxy on my finger tips, so I felt like there was epoxy throughout, but I may have been mistaken... Re: EVA behaves differently at longer lengths.
Posted by:
roger wilson
(---.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
Date: December 15, 2011 04:25PM
Ken,
Did you use a piece of rod blank somewhat smaller than the hole in the grip to completely saturate all sides of the inside of the hole in the EVA. This would be in addition to completely coating the rod blank for about two feet above where you actually want to start sliding the EVA down. You want a good generous amount of epoxy on every single spot on the inside of the hole of the EVA so that there is not a single dry spot anywhere on the inside of the blank. If you only put epoxy on a foot or so above where you start and only on the blank, you almost surely will have dry spots on the inside of the grip. Personally, I like to always ream EVA, Foam, or Hapalon to almost - or the actual same size as the blank. I just don't like to do the big push thing when I am putting the grip in place. But what ever method you prefer and works for you - use it. Also, I use ONLY 30 minute drying epoxy. With 30 minute drying epoxy, the epoxy stays nice and thin for at least 5 minutes so it gives you enough time to get everything done before there is ANY thickning of the glue. Take care Roger Re: EVA behaves differently at longer lengths.
Posted by:
Ryan Higgins
(---.130.132.122.nwinternet.com)
Date: December 15, 2011 06:33PM
Using the technique on this site I was able to slide a 16" Hypalon grip down a rod blank with a .8ø at the bottom. It's all about inside coverage of the bonding agent to help slide it down. Re: EVA behaves differently at longer lengths.
Posted by:
Tony Childs
(---.196.sag.speednetllc.com)
Date: December 16, 2011 04:25AM
For the tight fitting ones, I take some Acetone and put it inside the grip while holding my thumb on the bottom end. Shake it around making sure to saturate the inside of the grip, then slide it down like butter over your properly rod bond coated blank. I forget who gave me that tip. Re: EVA behaves differently at longer lengths.
Posted by:
Barry Chapman
(---.41.70.115.static.exetel.com.au)
Date: December 16, 2011 06:23AM
I do much the same as Tony but use D.A. instead of Acetone (a scared of doing damage to the blank)
Regards Baz Bundeena NSW Re: EVA behaves differently at longer lengths.
Posted by:
Sean Cheaney
(---.235.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com)
Date: December 18, 2011 05:54PM
Ditto on the two above my, except with lacquer thinner. I have found denatured alcohol can dry out before I am to slide it down. With laquer thinner I have found that I can get a .5" ID EVA over a .8" OD butt with little effort.
Something was said earlier that I need to echo as well. A push board will do wonders as well as once you start, DO NOT STOP. The moment you stop is the moment you need to cut it off most of the time. Rod Bond will be your better choice over quickbond in this situation as well unless you work very very fast. Re: EVA behaves differently at longer lengths.
Posted by:
bill boettcher
(---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: December 18, 2011 06:22PM
Ream the handle to get a closer fit This can be done Use Regular Rod Bond so you do not have to be in any hurry in case -- like this you have trouble
When you slide it down if it stops at less then 1/2 the handle length ream it more Dry fit get that 12" section to go down so you have 6" to go Why bother with all the garbage -- make it fit so it is easier And make sure you have the inside of it totally covered with the adhesive When very tight they will push any glue out give yourself some room for glue Bill - willierods.com Re: EVA behaves differently at longer lengths.
Posted by:
Ken Tong
(---.mycingular.net)
Date: December 20, 2011 08:36PM
So an update: I reamed the new grip out, and put triple the rod bond and it slid into place nicely. Thanks. Re: EVA behaves differently at longer lengths.
Posted by:
Rod Carlson
(---.jetstream.xtra.co.nz)
Date: February 04, 2012 05:43PM
I have also heard and am about to try myself, thin the rod bond with D.A ! Takes awhile to mix properly but my friend builds loads of offshore rods and has no problem. Also when taping the grip to protect from glue, make sure you don't wrap it too tight Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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