I always wrap my guides in D thread on my saltwater rods. I know that its the final coat that holds the guide to the rod, but I like to think that the type and or size of thread has some sort of purpose, other than whats obvious.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/12/2011 09:32AM by Andrew Cake.

Does it matter? Only if you wrap by hand.

Elaborate.

I always us "D" on bigger frame guides.... Go for it ! No Problem ! !
Jeff

I think he means that A is thinner then D and takes more turns to fill the same 1/2" then D making D a lot more faster to wrap the same area Buy hand that is

Bill - willierods.com

thank you bill



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/12/2011 10:19AM by Andrew Cake.

I would wrap one of those with D I am finding that D does not at all look that bad or thick on even lighter rods

Bill - willierods.com

But even if I went with an A thread it wont affect overall durability of keeping the guides to the rod?

I've post this here many times before so I won't give all the details of the experiment. Those that want to see them should be able to find them in the archives.

A 1/2" long wrap of A is more than strong enough. I did a series of tesst with an Aftco #41 wrapped with a single 1/2" long wrap of A (and no finish), where I pulled the guide off the rod. In every case what allowed the guide to be removed from the rod was the guide frame deforming. The wraps never failed.

Conclusion: wrap with A if you think that looks best. Wrap with D if you want to save time. Either way it doesn't matter, they are both strong enough. I guess you could argue that A would save weight, but would it save enough weight to matter on most slatwater rods?

Dave

Andrew,
From a strength difference, there is not a lot of difference with the size thread you use. i.e. thick thread has fewer wraps compared to thinner thread that has more wraps.

However, if you are wrapping rods that get a lot of abuse, like rail rods, many folks have found that the thicker thread can give a bit more durablity to the rod.

Good luck
REW

Andrew, you'll be fine either way as mentioned above. If it is a dark color D won't show much different than A and will wrap much quicker.

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Hi,

I think it helps to be 70 + years old to understand this topic.

Back in the early 1950s I would have the job of re varnishing the wraps on my Father's rods. The sun and salt water would erode the finish every year. After cleaning up the wraps I would stick my finger in the rod varnish and apply it to the wraps. In those days the heavy duty salt water rods had an under wrap, a guide wrap and a top wrap, A-D and E thread.

Today we have 2 part epoxy that is fantastic. I bet you can place this finish over any kind of wraps and the guides will stay in place.

Using A thread will sometimes look like a paint job and I like that. Of course D thread shows the threads.

These days I use E thread as a means to cut eva grips.

Bottom line----use what works best for you and gives you pleasure.

Capt Neil Faulkner

Andrew Cake Wrote:
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I know that its the final coat that holds the guide to the rod, but I like to think that the type and or size of thread has some sort of purpose



I think most folks missed this part of the original post.

I believe the OP may have a misconception here. I don't want to speak out of turn as I have been known to say the complete opposite of what is true at times :=)

...but, the thread IS what holds the guide to the rod. Your finish is only for protection. It is not an adhesive. This is in reference to epoxy finish.

You guys PLEASE correct me if this concept is wrong. Thanks.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/13/2011 09:40AM by Jay Lancaster.

You are correct Jay

Bill - willierods.com

FWIW; I read somewhere that a same length wrap using A size thread is stronger than using D size thread because of the number of turns of thread in the wrap. C2

Yes, the epoxy finish is to protect the thread. I also look at the epoxy finish as an adhesive as it binds the thread and guide to the blank.

Capt Neil Faulkner

Neil,
I agree that the epoxy also acts an adhesive to hold the thread in place, and to adhere the thread to the blank.
I further agree that the main strength of the guide attachment is by the thread and not the epoxy.

Roger

Put CP on before finish and adhesion goes out the door

Bill - willierods.com

I really appreciate all the response to this discussion. Thank you all who responded. Your insight has made me look at it in a new light. Thank you again!

Bill,
I agree 100%. That is one of the reasons that I very very seldom ever use CP.

Roger