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For Drew Pollack
Posted by: Tim Collins (---.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)
Date: October 09, 2011 08:04PM

Drew, in one of my posts about using a WF10 Sink Tip line you said:

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"The sink tip lines tend to be rated by weight not necessarily by line weight. Plus, there are other variables like how much of the line is weighted and the like. If you use something standard like a 24 foot sink tip, you will probably be in the 400 grain zone for a 10 weight rod.

I don't think there is such a beast as "weight forward sink tip" because any sink tip will, by it's nature, be "weight forward".

Unfortunately, you have to play around with lines (which means buying lines) to find out what works for you and works for the rod you have.

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I would think that would be consistant with something like the Jim Teeny lines with those heavy 24' sections (I call these shooting head lines). But there are fly lines listed as Weight Forward 10 wt Floating/Sinking (WF10F/S) Type III, Type IV, etc. with various inches per second sink rates. Are you saying these too are heavier than the weight listed? I would think a fly line listed something as WF10F/S Type IV ought to cast somewhat correctly on a 10wt rated rod - are you saying this is not the case? Seems like I learn something new everyday.

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Re: For Drew Pollack
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: October 09, 2011 08:50PM

No two 10-weight rods are likely to have the same power, so even if the lines weighed the same over the same length, they aren't likely to cast the same on different rods.

Sink tip lines are rated with the same AFTMA numbering system, but these days the line manufacturers do not feel compelled to strictly conform to those weights. You'd have to consult with them or any chart they publish in order to ascertain what the first 30 feet weigh.

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Re: For Drew Pollack
Posted by: Tim Collins (---.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)
Date: October 09, 2011 09:39PM

Well that should work then, if my rod's ern is 82/83 pennies and the first 30' of the line weighs close to 280 grains I should be all set, thanks.

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Re: For Drew Pollack
Posted by: Drew Pollock (---.100-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net)
Date: October 09, 2011 11:09PM

I have used mostly the Rio lines "streamer tip" or some such name. I have found I can cast my 8wt with about 300 grain sink tip lines. You should have no issue with a 10 weight.

Most of these sink tip lines have suggested rod weights associated with them. But I have found you need to experiment. Some rods do not handle the heavier sink tips well, I'm not sure why.

The Type I-IV system makes a simple concept harder to understand so I have just stuck with lines that just list the weight and the length. My current favorite is the Teeny TS which is a 30 foot sink tip, but it's very specific for the type of fishing we do in Alaska. Here around Northern California, I use only floating lines.

Good luck.

Drew

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Re: For Drew Pollack
Posted by: Tim Collins (---.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)
Date: October 10, 2011 10:07AM

Thanks Drew, I just checked my Teeny sinking "whatever it's called" on one of my spare spools that has about a 36' of heavy dark blue shooting head in front of something that resembles a shooting line to me. On my 9wt, it's fairly easy to shoot this with the coils piled up at my feet from a boat. It's much more difficult when I'm butt deep in strong river currents and my main objective is to keep from getting swept downstream.

I think they make a "traditional" type Weight Forward fly line with an 8'-10' sink tip in a 10 wt where the first 30' weighs somewhere around 280 grains or so. Once I know the ERN of my rod, I'll just take my Umpqua fly line scale to the fly shop and start measuring the first 30' on sink tip lines until I find a match - often there's a simple solution to difficult problems.

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