Looking for advice on using light colored Pro Wrap thread on dark blanks. The wraps look great until I put color preserver on them, Then, as it soaks in, the color of the blank starts to show through. I've done my best trying to get the threads packed evenly, but I still get bleed through banding. I can't get good old Gudebrod anymore, so I may have to try FishHawk. Has anyone tried applying color preserver to Pro Wrap and letting it dry before wrapping?

Thanks,

Skip

CP or epoxy will make the thread semitransparent, metallic is not so bad nylon is worse and white silk will disappear. I use the Pro Wrap Color Fast and no CP and it works out great as long as there is not a lot of contrast in the blank and thread. In that case you will either have to color the blank or do an underwrap.

In that case, your best bet is to underwrap with either the same color or a lighter color.

David Dosser
Coshocton, OH

Gudebrod is back in business.

Bryce Abbott
Go & Do Likewise

If you try to paint a black wall with a light colored paint, you'll find it doesn't work so very well. Takes a few coats to get the desired results.

You cannot expect to put a very light colored thread over a very dark colored blank and not have the thread darken a bit, even with CP. To do what you want, you'll have to use NCP thread or color the underlying area with white paint.

I will assume that you're not thinning your CP.

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I've had really good luck with the ProWrap thread, so my guess is, that isn't the problem. I got a bunch of "old" Gudebrod early on, and they seem equivalent, at least to me.



Drew

Skip,
How does the wrap look if you skip the color preserver and just apply a coat of finish?

I personally dislike the use of color preserver for just such reasons.

Try it out on a piece of scrap and let us know what you find.

Roger

All of them will do that.
Either paint/color the area you're wrapping with white or use an NCP thread.

Even NCP darkens a tad over a dark blank.

Hi Skip,

I do everything within my power not to use CS/CP!!! Just me as I know other builders use CS/CP all the time. I use metallic thread as often as possible which means 99% of the time.

When I have to use white nylon or pearl metallic over a black blank I will mask off the wrap area using FROGTAPE masking tape. I then apply 2 or 3 coats of quality white paint, making sure no black shows thru. After the paint is well dried I apply one coat of flexcoat CS/CP over the wrap area. (This applies a hard coat over the paint. The thread will move easier and the pull thru string will have a harder time scratching the white paint). Next I score (straight edge razor) the area where the tape meets the paint to give a straight clean line when the tape is removed. Remove the tape and wrap.

Now you are ready to wrap and it will be like wrapping over a white blank. Of course this is not for everyone. Some builders will wrap silver metallic thread first and then the white or lighter color thread. This give a nice effect.

Hope this helps.

Capt Neil Faulkner

Thank you all for taking the time to comment and offer advice. In the short term, I solved the problem by using the last of my old Gudebrod NCP. Now that I am out. I'm going to try a few of your suggestions and see what works. I'm building heavier "musky" rods, and using D weight thread. With the new Pro Wrap, I think I'll try a size A underwrap of the same color, then the heavier overwrap. Just so you know the whole story, the blank is black. The white underwrap goes the entire length of the two-footed guide and beyond. The guide is wrapped on with navy blue Pro wrap, right over the white under wrap. Then a red trim band is applied over the extended white underwrap at each end. The white does not show through either the blue or the red. It was the white underwrap, under the guide, between the two guide wraps, the was showing the bleed through.

I knew I was asking for trouble with white thread over black, but it worked OK with the old Gudebrod NCP. As requested, I will do some experiments and post the results (with a couple photos if I learn how to upload them.

Skip Kerwin

I just did an ohio state themed rod for a buddy with NCP red thread, and the color did change over the black blank. Any time you are wrapping over black, the color does seem to darken no matter what; however, when I did use my neon green over a different black blank, there was no color change at all. Red always seems to change in color for some reason. /stumped

Even on NCP thread I put at least one coat of CP on It seams to help

Bill - willierods.com

The color preserver is NOT the problem with threads changing colors, it's the threads. CP doesn't magically work on some colors and not others. It doesnt' even matter, people need to take mor etime testing wraps and finishing them to see what they'll actually look like, I have tons of samples of test wraps so when I need to match somthing I know what hte finished product will look like befor eI start out.

Capt Neil Faulkner Wrote:
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> Hi Skip,
>
> I do everything within my power not to use
> CS/CP!!! Just me as I know other builders use
> CS/CP all the time. I use metallic thread as
> often as possible which means 99% of the time.
>
> When I have to use white nylon or pearl metallic
> over a black blank I will mask off the wrap area
> using FROGTAPE masking tape. I then apply 2 or 3
> coats of quality white paint, making sure no black
> shows thru. After the paint is well dried I apply
> one coat of flexcoat CS/CP over the wrap area.
> (This applies a hard coat over the paint. The
> thread will move easier and the pull thru string
> will have a harder time scratching the white
> paint). Next I score (straight edge razor) the
> area where the tape meets the paint to give a
> straight clean line when the tape is removed.
> Remove the tape and wrap.
>
> Now you are ready to wrap and it will be like
> wrapping over a white blank. Of course this is
> not for everyone. Some builders will wrap silver
> metallic thread first and then the white or
> lighter color thread. This give a nice effect.
>
> Hope this helps.

Hi Neil,
I fought in this old post of yours while I was looking for a solution to a problem related to the making of light color wraps on a dark blank. I consider the method you described and used to be very valid (I tried it), but it is not clear to me how you solve the problem to mask foot of the ring . Does that have to be painted too?

Thank you for your support
Marco Cellini