Building a spinning rod using NGC. Measured the lip of the reel spool and got 45mm. Multiplied by 27and got 1215mm. Converted to inches and got 47.8". Measured out that distance from the front of the reel and marked position of the choker.

This is on a 7' blank and puts the choker guide 24" from the tip.

Does this sound right to you?

Larry

I once gave up fishing. It was the most terrifying weekend of my life.

Neither the choker guide, nor the reel, is concerned with where the tip of the rod is. How much rod length exists from the choker to the rod tip has no bearing on anything.

What's important, is how far the choker guide is from the reel. For the same reel, that distance will be the same regardless of whether the rod is 7 feet long, or 10 feet long.

Never worry about how far the choker guide is from the tip of the rod - worry about how far the choker guide is from the reel.


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Tom Kirkman Wrote:
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> Neither the choker guide, nor the reel, is
> concerned with where the tip of the rod is. How
> much rod length exists from the choker to the rod
> tip has no bearing on anything.
>
> What's important, is how far the choker guide is
> from the reel. For the same reel, that distance
> will be the same regardless of whether the rod is
> 7 feet long, or 10 feet long.
>
> Never worry about how far the choker guide is from
> the tip of the rod - worry about how far the
> choker guide is from the reel.
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>
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Do you think 2 guides are enough between the reel face and the choker? Thinking of a 20 and a 12.

Larry

I once gave up fishing. It was the most terrifying weekend of my life.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/01/2011 10:17AM by Larry Hale.

you may be able to get by with 2 or may use 3. the key is getting height and this can be done by using taller framed guides. by using the taller framed guides it allows you to use a smaller ring size.

I can't tell you what to use - however the line path will tell you exactly what to use.

At some point you want to buy a set of "set-up" guides. Inexpensive versions of whatever guides you favor. One of each size. That way you can let the line path tell you which ones to go with, and then order only those for that particular rod project.
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I just started using the NGC system in the past year, I've become a believer. Weight and cost reduction, and better casting. I've built two 7' rods recently and your measurements are pretty close to mine. I use 2000 size reels mostly, and my spool diameters are 44-45 mm. both my rods have the chokers around 24 to 25 inches from the tip. I wondered how much difference it made casting wise if you put a 3000 or 4000 size reel on it though? I wonder if folks mark (label) the optimal spool diameter on their rods for thier customers?

Forget how far the choker is from the tip - that doesn't matter one bit. Line control takes place between the reel and the choker guide, not between the choker guide and the rod tip. The system is set up to place the choker a certain distance from the reel, not the rod tip.

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Tom, I understand that, and I think Larry does too. I did the measurements the same as he explained above. Hope we're not confusing folks. It's difficult to compare guide placement on similar length rods by spool face to choker distance, because of different handle lengths and reel configurations. I had never measured the choker to tip distance until I read his post, I was interested to see how close his measurements were to mine with a similar spool size. Turns out we're pretty close. I was glad to see I was in the ballpark, being fairly new using this method. I like your idea of the "set up guides" above. I hadn't thought of that. I've been guessing at the sizes and making them work.

Right. My point is that the distance from the choker to the rod tip makes no difference. There are still too many guys who think if the choker is too close or too far from the tip (in their perspective) something must be wrong. The fact is, anything beyond the choker guide, whether it be 1 inch or 100 inches, is of zero importance. Line control takes place between the reel and the choker guide, not between the choker and rod tip. The distance from the reel spool to the choker is what matters and it isn't affected by rod length, handle length, etc.

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You can also check by doing it the old way and take the spool off the reel. Place on the rod and use a straight edge from the shaft to point of contact. - they should touch the same point.

Bill - willierods.com