I made a post a while back asking about types of thread. I had asked about Maderia and was given the following info.

"The Maderia polyneon thread is mostly used for decorative wraps due to its color selection. The thread is an embroidery thread and has silicone added to make it slide through the machine easier. I have used it for guide wraps but it is a little tough to work with."


I mess up......I just made an order of supplies and thread it seems that I was STUPID and forgot one thread color. Of course that color is one that I need for under wrap on one of my first rods. I do not want to order just 1 spool of thread and pay 3X more for shipping than the thread. I can not find anyplace in Indy that has wrapping thread. There is a sewing shop that has Maderia so...........My question is, can Maderia be used for under wraps?

thanks for the help

tom

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tom in indy

Sure. just put at least two good coats of CP if you don't want fish eyes.

This a heavy rod - do you need an under wrap. On lighter rods it will just add weight.

Bill - willierods.com

i just built my first rod and used only maderia for everything. Underwraps and guidewraps. so far so good. i did howver put two coats of CP on everything. the rod was a 6'6" e glass trolling rod if this helps.

bill boettcher Wrote:
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> Sure. just put at least two good coats of CP if
> you don't want fish eyes.
>
> This a heavy rod - do you need an under wrap. On
> lighter rods it will just add weight.


It is not a "heavy rod" I guess I could do trim bands, for efect, of the lighter color.....
I was taught to do under wraps on the guides.....

thanks, you are making me think...........ouch thinking hurts..... }G{

tms

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tom in indy

If the guides are ( prepped well ) especially where they lay on the blank You probably don't need them.

If you are going to cast it, you may not want them

Bill - willierods.com

IMO, I think underwraps on a fresh water rod would only add unwanted weight and serve no purpose

Mike (Southgate, MI)
If I don't want to, I don't have to and nobody can make me (except my wife) cuz I'm RETIRED!!

Unless you are putting a lot of epoxy on the underwraps, the weight an underwrap will add can be measured in milligrams. I underwrap all guides except on fly rods used in fresh water.

Believe it or not, but the weight added by underwraps on most light to medium freshwater type rods can actually be felt in the hand. It can certainly be measured with something like the Common Cents CCF measurement.

They're not at all necessary from any functional aspect, so unless you simply feel you need to add them for some aesthetic purpose, you might want to omit them.

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Tom Kirkman Wrote:
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> They're not at all necessary from any functional
> aspect, so unless you simply feel you need to add
> them for some aesthetic purpose, you might want to
> omit them.
>
> ............

Maybe not on light freshwater or fly rods. Build heavy freshwater or almost any saltwater rods, and you might want to reconsider. Show me a factory saltwater rod WITHOUT an underwrap, and I'll bet it's a cheapo found at WalMart or Big 5.

I was talking about "light to medium" type freshwater rods.

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i build musky and salmon trolling rods used with lead core line and have never used an underwrap and have never gad a problem.

Mike (Southgate, MI)
If I don't want to, I don't have to and nobody can make me (except my wife) cuz I'm RETIRED!!

As someone who builds only fly rods, I never even think about under-wraps. A question...what purpose does an under-wrap serve? Is it real, or just something that has been done and survives today into the era of modern materials and concepts?

I understand, Tom. I prefer to underwrap. I'm not trying to be critical. It's just my preference.

I understand. I was just pointing out in my post to Mr. St. Clair that they serve no functional purpose on these type rods. There is not much evidence they serve any purpose on heavier rods, either, but the minor weight added really isn't going to affect any rod with any heft to it anyway.

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Tom K. I did not realize that my dad had made a post }G{

I guess that Tom,Tom, Tom, ...... can get REAL confusing..........

Like I said 30+ years ago I was taught to do them on everything.
Even 6' ultralight (Fenwick SP621) but "we" were using a double foot Fuji guides too.

Thanks for the info

tom in indy

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tom in indy