On light colored threads, when used over a black rod blank or over a darker underwrap, generally some of the underlying color comes through the lighter color thread, this affecting its color. Also, when used over a black line guide foot, the foot is generally visible, even if only ever so slightly. Is there a solid solution to this, such as using heavier thread rather than A thread? Thanks for any and all comments.

Clinton

regular nylon thread will show any thing under it unless you put at lest two good coats of color preserver on first.

Are you using regular nylon ?? Even with NCP which is No Color Preserver required should have a good coat over it.

What type of thread are you using ????

Bill - willierods.com

What I am fussing about at the moment is PacBay Rose color A thread (True Color [NCP]). I'll give the CP a try...should work. I'm assuming this is nylon.

You should not get any see though with an NCP thread. It is said to hold it's color.

But I always put CP on it even if told I do not need it . Butt since I use CP i always use Regular Nylon. The colors come out looking a lot nicer. NCP thread to me looks - Flat -

Stuff happens ???

Bill - willierods.com

Two things will help - larger thread, and/or making sure the threads are tightly packed against each other.

Of course there is a third option - the use of NCP thread.

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Hi Tom: This raises another question I have had. Is NCP a type of thread, so that true color is the same as NCP, or is it product made by Gudebrod or some other manufacturer. Getting Gudebrod threads these days is difficult, sometimes.

Clinton

even if you put 5 coats of color preserver on your wraps you'll still get bleed through if you don't pack your threads tight enough. Any small gaps in your thread and your underwrap, guide foot or the blank will show through. Make sure you pack them tight.

Swampland Tackle Lance Dupre Wrote:
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> even if you put 5 coats of color preserver on your
> wraps you'll still get bleed through if you don't
> pack your threads tight enough. Any small gaps in
> your thread and your underwrap, guide foot or the
> blank will show through. Make sure you pack them
> tight.

That's a fact! So much so that most times there is a bleed through issue if one looks very close with
magnification one will see those tiny gaps that the naked eye misses.

Raymond Adams
Eventually, all things merge, and a river runs through it..

Other manufacturers offer an NCP thread, Fish Hawk is Color Lok, Pac Bay is Stay Tru. There others, but that should get you a pretty good start.

NCP is an opaque thread which means it won't go semi-transparent when you wet it. Regular nylon turns dark or semi-transparent when you wet it, just like if you spilled something on your shirt. CP seals it and prevents that from happening.

But putting a dark color over a light color always entails some lose in shade. That's the nature of the beast and CP isn't going to perform miracles.

Larger thread, tighter packing or NCP are the keys here.

Just remember that NCP looks more like paint - it doesn't have the subtle sparkle that regular nylon does.

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A good test is to wet the thread (or wrap) with alcohol. This is approximately the same color change that will occur with epoxy. Make SURE all of the alcohol has evaporated before finishing. I think vaggie or mineral oil works even better to see the effect but obviously you don't want to epoxy over that. Use a test wrap.

Like said above, pack it tight!

I just did a practise on a rod I had broken, It was a 3 inch wrap with white NCP. I put two coats of cp on top, then some TM lite, It looked very good. As they say, ``Pack, Pack, Pack.``

Bill

Ohio Rod Builders

Canton, Ohio

Rose over a black blank shouldn't be too problematic. If you want to put white over a black blank you might wish to consider painting that section of the blank white first.

Russ in Hollywood, FL.

I always pack tight. What was not mentioned was burnishing, Burnishing will flatten the thread and make it more compact. I like 00, A or B thread when wrapping guides. I hate the bulk look on wraps

Good Wraps Bob