I've used the Fuji SIC ring material. However, my impression is that the alconites are noticeably thinner than the SICs. Would I be correct? So for the same outer diameter, the alconite ring will have a larger inner diameter.

I know that SIC has much better heat dissipation if I remember correctly.

Thanks,
Mo

I noticed the same thing the other day, Mo. The SIC has a thicker ring.

Not sure why. I'll have to get the calipers out and see if the I.D. is the same or smaller on the SIC.

My guess is that it is smaller just from observation.

Good eyes, Mo!

Les

Mo,

I don't know how extensive you want to look into this, but I have both on my bench and sampling a couple of #12 spinning guides, it looks like your observation is correct. The BYAG12J has an ID of 8.60mm and the TYSG12J is 8.25mm. The Alconite has a smaller OD too... 11.44mm VS 11.60mm on the SIC.

If there's a certain type you want checked I can measure them at the shop tomorrow.

Mark Griffin
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C&M Custom Tackle
San Dimas, California

Fuji Ring thickness Aluminm Oxide > SIC > Alconite

Since Fuji uses inside diameter of frame and not ring to denote guide size - the smallest inside diameter of ring is the aluminum oxide and the largest the Alconite in the same size guide.

Jim Spooner posted the dimensions on a thread earlier.

Mo, you and I like the UL stuff and I always use Alconite rather than SIC. Both are hard enough for the braid I use, and how much is heat dissipation really an issue on UL? I suppose I could see it for offshore stuff (which I never do), but even the inshore stuff I do never sees terribly long runs. I guess the titanium frames are nice, but I can't afford them.

Greetings MO,

I build for myself and some friends (ie not a high volume builder). Nevertheless, I would highly recommend using Microsoft Excel spreadsheet (for easier processing) and following the approach from the posting I described about 3 years, past.

re:Measureing Guide Sizes Dec 2006

Mo, I recognize that you seek ring thickness details, however I design my spinning rods via Excel spreadsheets. In my case, I am interested in knowing the exact center of each ring on spinning rods which I design and build.
I begin every spinning rod build with : Handle design, Guides Layout including graphical line-path, and before build; a spreadsheet for the required parts order(s) for the designed rod. Although its rare, I, also, design and build fly-rods, in similar fashion, with a custom stripping gap along with the guides layout.

I really think that if you did this; what you'd want is a decent digital caliper. And then use a method similar to the referenced article-posting to answer your questions. Excel is quite versatile.

Good luck,

Bob

Thanks everyone. Much appreciated. Mark, thanks for your offer but for now, I'm OK. Are you getting the K guides? The titanium alconites interest me.

As to heat dissipation, I think it may matter. Not sure. I use titanium and the heat dissipation of titanium is a lot poorer than steel which is already much worse than aluminum. As to whether it matters, you can try this - take your alconite ring, and your SIC. Get a length of light mono and rub them back and forth in a quick motion. Compare how fast it takes to fray and melt/break the mono. You may be surprised at how easy it is to fray mono due to heat of the rings.

Mo

Thanks everyone. Much appreciated. Mark, thanks for your offer but for now, I'm OK. Are you getting the K guides? The titanium alconites interest me.

As to heat dissipation, I think it may matter. Not sure. I use titanium and the heat dissipation of titanium is a lot poorer than steel which is already much worse than aluminum. As to whether it matters, you can try this - take your alconite ring, and your SIC. Get a length of light mono and rub them back and forth in a quick motion. Compare how fast it takes to fray and melt/break the mono. You may be surprised at how easy it is to fray mono due to heat of the rings.

Mo

Mo,
Just curious...have you tried testing the heat dissipation of the Pac Bay Minima guides? They are certainly very light, and due to their all metal construction, I would think that they are better at conducting heat than any ceramic ring style guide. Of course, I might be totally incorrect...
George

George, i think they are about the same per my test.

Mo