I have a low modulus graphite All Star blank and the tip section slips/turns off center line after I cast it.

What can I do the inside or outside of any ferrules to prevent it from slipping. I have a lot of rods and have never seen this.

Thanks.

I'm interested in hearing the experts chime in on this one, if it were me, I'd clean both ends up with alcohol, then take and rub a candle to the male end.

Wax works well, not sure what type of casting your doing but in Spey casts this is a very common problem. I just put a little tape (3m electrical) on it when spey or switch casting with a lot of change of direction.

Before we get started, how are you assembling the sections?


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I am kind of a new guy here, but have seen this with a couple of rods. I would answer Tom's question first since he has way more experiance then I do. I am going to make a W.A.G., and say The top of the male ferrel is bottoming out on the female ferrel. This can limit the amount of surface area of the 2 ferrels that are in contact with each other, and can lead to the condition you are describeing. I am sure that there are several ways to check for this condition. If you have a china white pencil or white crayon, I would use this to color the male ferrel down to the depth that the female ferrel covers. put the 2 sections together, and just before they get too tight to turn, turn them just a little until they go tight. Take the sections apart, and you should be able to see the areas where these ferrels are seating on each other. If the white is only rubbed off on the very end of the male ferrel, it is probably bottoming out. Once again, I am sure there are several ways of fixing this condition. Basically you need to shorten the male ferrel just a little, or bevel it enough so that when you put the 2 sections together, you see more of the white color rubbed off.

Once again, I am a new guy here, and I wouldn't run out and start cutting on my rod until the experts chime in. I am learning myself, and want to read what they have to say.

Thanks, Mike. To be honest, I am not sure what you told me to do but I'll figure it out.

Tom, I am assembling the way Lefty Kreh taught me - slide down and turn once in only one direction to tighten.

assemble it 90 degrees off then with a little pressure twist the tip section until the guides are aligned to lock in place. to remove reverse the process.

Okay, it sounds like you're doing this correctly. In that case, and assuming you're putting a good amount of pressure into the "twist" part of the assembly, you may have a bad fitting ferrule.

It can bottom out either way - the tip can bottom out up inside the female section or the female section may be seating on the male section too soon. Mike has given you some good advice and you can use that method to see which problem you have. Which section to trim depends on which section is bottoming out first.

Beeswax will help things stick a bit better, but wax also changes the fit of the ferrule and can attract and hold dirt that then wears the ferrule. I'd do my best to obtain a good fit but if you want to try the wax route in the interim it often does allow for a quick fix.

The thing is, the guides always act as lever arms and that effect means that the rod tip will always try to turn to the direction the load is being applied from. Unless those sections fit well and closely over their entire length, this sort of thing can be a problem.

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Use Mike's method to check where the ferrule is seating prematurely. The china pencil works well. A little trimming from either the male end or the female end will help get a better fit. After getting the mating sections back "in sync" so to speak, apply a coat of U40 Ferrule Lube. As Tom mentioned,w ax is a decent temporary fix, but attracts and holds dirt that wears the ferrule even more with time.

Thanks for letting me know that my experiance isn't that far out of date. I go back to the metal ferrels, and the custom of rubbing the femel on the side of your nose to lubricate it before you put the rod togather. I am also "old school" enough that I learned to put a stuck ferrel behind my knees, and pull with my knees. Last resort was to have 2 people gripping hand on top of hand, snd pulling in different directions.

I am an "old dog" but I am learning.

Metal ferrules were best joined by sliding the sections straight together. Integral graphite ferrules require that slide and twist to keep them secure.

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Mike B. -

You mention "if the white is rubbed off ONLY on the very end". Would not the white rub off on all the areas where the ferrules touch? If the male ferrule is bottoming is not my only option to sand down the end or taper it? Otherwise, I would somehow make the female ferrule deeper?

Thanks,

Tony

Tony:

Basically, you are dealing with 2 different tapers. Ideally, you would have both tapers the same, and this would cause "the white to rub off" for the whole length of the ferrels. We don't live in a perfect World, and I suspect that this is the problem. The white is a "tell", and where it is rubbed off will tell you where the problem is between these 2 tapers. If the "white is rubbed off" on the very top end of the male ferrel (and nowhere else), themale end is too long, and the top end of the male ferrel needs to be cut back, or beveled. I have never had a situation where the female ferrel was too tight, but this would show up on the "tell" if all of the white remained except for a little area where the male and female ferrels are fully seated. I suspect that the fix for this is to bevel the inside of the female ferrel, or cut it back.

I am sure that this could get into the "which leg of an unstable table do I cut off" type thing. Don't start cutting on the rod until some of the other people that actually know what they are doing chime in.

Tony -
Now that we are both back in town and building ... come see me & we'll figure this out. It sounds to me as if the tapers are "off".

Ken

Ken -

I look forward to that "project". I will see if I can get down some evening next week, if it works for you.

Cheers,

Tony

Absolutely! Bring the new wife with you for dinner too. Pick your day & let me know