Hi All,

Am attempting to build a PUR70H matched to a 3000 size reel and fuji YSG SIC guides with 'new guide cocncept' (have read toms article in the library) and have positioned #8 choker and then # 16 if i go to a #20 after that it will put it jsut shy of 17" the spool i am thinking i should leave the #20 off and run all 8s the rest of the way up or would it be worth trying a #10 choker and then #8's the rest of the way.
I no its really trial and error but just wondering if i have missed something here?

Cheers,
Chris

The choker and running guides should all be the same size.

You are dictating what guides the system must use, instead of allowing the line path to dictate what guides to use.

At any rate, go back and relocate the choker guide by multiplying your spool diameter by 27. Use that distance to locate the choker and start from there.

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Tom

When you multiply the reel spool by 27 is the measurement of the spool in inches or mm.

Thanks, Mike

Mike,
It makes no difference. Millimeters is easier to work with because you don't have to deal with fractions of an inch.

It doesn't matter. Just take the result and plot that on the blank from the spool face to the choker guide location. 27X is 27X. For instance, 27X by a spool diameter of say, 2 inches, is 54 inches. And, 27X by that same diameter in mm, 50.8mm, is 1371mm (137.1cm or 13.71dm). They both equal the exact same distance.

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Does the term "choker guide" refer to the same guide termed "intersection guide" in the NEW GUIDE CONCEPT PRIMER in the library. Based upon everything I've been trying to learn on the concept I believe it is but I'd just like to verify.

Thanks,

Thanks,
Chad Huderle

Huderle Custom Rods
Prior Lake, MN

The are the same, yes. The updated and final version was in the RodMaker Volume 10 #4 issue. The use of the reel spool angle upsweep for the location of the choker guide was far too random. It was a good starting point but wan't based on any actual optimum set ups in the way that the 27X factor is.

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As always thanks making it all so clear Tom

may need some more help on this one tried the 27x and ended up with the choker 1404mm from the spool wich only leaves enough room for 2 guides 5" apart to the tip and 4 step ups behind which doesnt seem right to me, where am i going wrong?

Cheers,
Chris



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/20/2009 01:41AM by Chris Scurfield.

It's perfect. The reel and choker guide do not care where the tip is. There is no requirement for any certain number of guides between the choker and the tip. Depending on length, you might have 1 running guide, or you might have 10.

Why do you think something is wrong?

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most times i have seen guys on here talking about having 9 and wanting to take one off so was throwing me a little.
Do you think i may find a noticable improvement in casting distance from going from a #20 to a #25 stripper, currently have 8tip,8,8,8,10,12,16,20?
Cheers for all your advice.

Chris

They were probably working with longer rods.

There is one way to find out - try it with the 20, then swap out and try it with the 25. If you're using light line, or braid, I doubt the 25 will do much for you. With heavier line, 12lb and up, it might.

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yeah at $20 for the 25 i am a little hesitant if i dont need it, have already made a few costy mistakes on this one. its with braid any way so sound like it should be fine.
Thanks for all the help.

Chris

Chris, you can trim the guide train down a bit by going 20, 12, 8L. The 8L concept frame is, however, exactly the same as the 8 in regular single foot V frame (methinks the Concept one is more exxy mate).

Braid will allow you to use the smaller butt guide, but testing for the location becomes key. For the size spool you plan to use, try a 25. Pick up the model in Hardloy, or Aluminium oxide, or Alconite for testing, then if it shows you need it, then purchase the YSG 25.

If you build many rods, you should certainly put together a "test set" of these guides in a less expensive guide ring material. Use those to set your rod up, then order exactly what you need in those more expensive guide types.

One thing that will help you - if you set the system up correctly, you'll see this when sighting down through the butt guide towards the choker guide:

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lol i hadnt thought of getting test sets guesse i am still a little impatient cheers guys.

Chris