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Why not adhesive that fails at 200 farenheit?
Posted by:
Mo Yang
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Date: May 29, 2008 02:44PM
Given the trouble we have in removing glued on reelseats and grips, I wonder why there's no manufacturer that produce glue for rodbuiding which is designed to fail at 200 degrees farenheit. Since most rods won't be subjected to that temperature under normal use, the glue would hold. Then when one wants to remove it, just boil the part and the glue will release.
Is this that difficult to do? Mo Re: Why not adhesive that fails at 200 farenheit?
Posted by:
Duane Richards
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Date: May 29, 2008 02:48PM
I'd say Mo that the sun can take rod temps pretty high with dark or black grips and such. In the summer here in VA I have an outside temp guage probe that sees sunlight in the late afternoon, and sometimes the probe reachs 150 degrees and it's VERY small and WHITE in color. Just my guess.....
DR Re: Why not adhesive that fails at 200 farenheit?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: May 29, 2008 02:49PM
Generally, manufacturers make adhesives for permanent mounts - rods shouldn't have to be disassembled and most never are. In fact, the last thing most builders want is any chance that an adhesive might "let go" at an inopportune moment.
I know that on rare occasions a builder will make a mistake and need to remove a seat or something, but I doubt many adhesive manufacturers are going to see that as a great market for what would, for them, be a considerable investment. Keep in mind, that even today only two adhesive products we use have been created specifically for use on fishing rods - RodBond and Ultimate Gel. Rod building is not a large market in the terms viewed by major adhesive manufacturers. Now you have one other option - hot melt glue. It's made in a number of varieties and some will certainly withstand 200F. It's something you might look into, or, you could just take greater care before gluing things up. This isn't a knock on you or your assembly, just a reminder to "measure twice and cut once." ............. Re: Why not adhesive that fails at 200 farenheit?
Posted by:
Billy Vivona
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Date: May 29, 2008 02:52PM
I use hot melt glue designed for arrows on my tip tops. Considering what the arrows are designed to do, adn they do not come loose - you might be able to get away with installing butt caps with it. It's not worth it to do with reel seats. Re: Why not adhesive that fails at 200 farenheit?
Posted by:
Bill Stevens
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Date: May 29, 2008 04:37PM
Descriptions of various hot melt adhesives can be found at the following link: Moe the ones called "High Temp" like the ones Flexcoat sells provide a much highter temp than you note and are easily removable without any damage. The expoxy systems with set times higher than about 5 minutes do not provide the quick release needed by rodbulders.
[en.wikipedia.org] Re: Why not adhesive that fails at 200 farenheit?
Posted by:
Mel Shimizu
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Date: May 29, 2008 05:39PM
I could have used that glue a few days ago.....lol Re: Why not adhesive that fails at 200 farenheit?
Posted by:
Steve Gardner
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Date: May 29, 2008 05:46PM
I don't use it on handles, but have been using High temp hot glue for the last three years on tips, and have yet to have a one come loose Re: Why not adhesive that fails at 200 farenheit?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: May 29, 2008 06:53PM
Gudebrod Ferrule Cement was a hot melt type and for years it was used on everything from tiptops to reel seats to butt caps. It worked reasonably well in those capacities but due to its early technology tended to get brittle and turn to dust over many years. Modern hot melts are much better, of course.
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Posted by:
Mo Yang
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Date: May 31, 2008 04:12AM
The purpose of this question is not to correct errors or take off other people's work. It's more an issue of my own work where if someone comes to have a broken rod replaced, I would simply take off the components and put them on a new blank of the same specification. That's an issue simply because of the work that goes into some grips.
Mo Re: Why not adhesive that fails at 200 farenheit?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: June 01, 2008 09:05AM
In that case, you can cut off the blank just ahead of the handle and usually bore the blank out of the grips or handle.
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