I am having a real bad time with the epoxy on just two rod blanks. It is wanting to lift off the rod and also off the thread makes the second time i have redone these rods and it still wants to lift. I have scuffed the blanks thinking this would help but no luck. What can be the problem? These are 13' lamiglas Blanks with the ribs.

Hi Mike,

Sounds like you have some type of contamination. Have you cleaned the blank with anything. Have you or someone else sprayed something in the air like pledge or something like that? What epoxy finish are you using?

Hank
On The Rocks Fishing
Wells, ME.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/28/2008 12:42AM by Milton (Hank) Aldridge.

Hey Hank
No my area was real clean and the blank was wiped off with alcahol before i started. But it is also lifting off the threads.

That's why I asked if someone had sprayed anything in the area of the rod. I would think it would have to be an airbourn comtaminant if that's the problem. If it's not airbourne contanination I think you have to look at the epoxy or the epoxy applicator. I don't thik it could be the blank as you are having problems with the threas also.

Hank
On The Rocks Fishing
Wells, ME.

Hank
I am using Classic coat epoxy and it has no problems on any other rods but these two. I built a rod today and had no problem.

Sorry I'm out of ideas, hopefully someone else will have an idea for you.

Hank
On The Rocks Fishing
Wells, ME.

Thanks Hank i hope i can find the anwser to this problem!!!

Best thing to do is:
Remove the wraps. Clean with gray scotch brite pad and rewrap with another spool of thread or try the thread that you used on a scrap piece and see if it is contaminated. Also Alcohol (drug store) rubbing can have cantamination in it, Better to use 91% or denatured than 51%.
Also your appliction tool could be contaminated, Clean it all and go for it again.
Joe

Hi Mike,

Joe's post above is what I normally do. If I have stripped and sanded a blank for recoating I add this step. After cleaning the blank with 91% isoprophyl alcohol I take the blank out to the garage, install rubber gloves on my hands and them wipe the blank down real good with XYLOL or XYLENE. Then I leave the blank in the fresh air for a couple of hours. As I recoat the blank I make sure that no oil of any king is on my hands.

Another possibility is was something sprayed in the house/work area that contained a silicon ingredient? Silicon is a no no for expoxy finishes.

Capt Neil Faulkner

Hold on guy's,

I heard Ralph O'Quinn discussing this very same problem with another builder in High Point. All other things considered as "clean", look to what your mixing the epoxy in or with. I heard him telling this builder that the plastic cups that we normally mix epoxy in, can leach silicone or other chemicals and contaminate the mix. Try cleaning your mixing cup WELL wih alcohol before mixing. Maybe Ralph will see this post and chime in, if not email him.

One other thing, if you are not using specificly a "rod building" thread ie.....Sulky, Madiera, Robinson-Anton, etc, you must use color preserver as they are coated with silicone as a lubricant to help them run through the guides on sewing machines. Although Billy V. and others have said that they have had no problems with the Madiera, I have had it fisheye on me. Just another thing to be aware of.

Bill in WV



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Hey William
This is the only thing i have not done. I have cleaned everything but the cups i hope that is it but it only happend on the two rods that were brought to me from another builder.

Mike,

You say they were brought to you from another builder? Maybe it was something from his shop that contaminated it. Did the thread come from him also?

Bill in WV

Hey William

No the thread was mine but even after i wiped the rod down with Alc. it still felt like it was slick as if it had armor-all on it .

Hmmm, dunno!!! Shoot Ralph an email he may be able to help you. Other than that, check with the other builder and find out if he sprayed or wiped them with anything.

Bill in WV

Thanks William

That's what we're here for, to help and share!!

Bill in WV

Hmmmmmmm!!!

Some anglers spray their rods with WD-40 and who knows what else at the end of a trip!!!

Some anglers polish their rods with Lemon Pledge and other things.

Anglers do crazy things to their rods and reels.

Capt Neil Faulkner

Thanks guys for all the help i guess what im going to do is just refund there money and move on to the other rods i have waiting to be built and make it up on them.

Try this. Shellac is the goal standard sealer for woodworkers and is compatable with all finishes. Get dewaxed shellac (Zinsser Bulls Eye Sealcoat) at Lowes or Home Depot. I use a toothpick to place a drop in a fisheye. Sand about an hour earlier and add another coat of epoxy. Works evfery time for me.