After burning up 2 of the Dayton 1/10 HP motors, I want to have a motor dedicated to turning grips on my Renzetti. $180 is not in the budget right now for the Renzetti motor.

[www.renzetti.com]

Has anyone successfully rigged a motor, like a drill, to their lathe. I'd prefer to not get a mini lathe as I turn some of my grips on the blank.

Also, is their an alternative for a wrapping motor that doesn't cost $80 a pop like the Dayton's?

My buddy and I rigged a drill to his renzetti. We just used those flexable pipe clamps to hold it down. We cut the shaft off his burned motor and just used it in the chuck with the original pulley. He uses it with the dayton foot pedal rated at 6amps. This is the only foot pedal can hold a drill without burning itself up.

Hey Scott try the one on @#$%&. I got one and have had no problems.$25.00



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/18/2008 10:31AM by mike arnold.

My buddy and I rigged a drill to his renzetti. We just used those flexable pipe clamps to hold it down. We cut the shaft off his burned motor and just used it in the chuck with the original pulley. He uses it with the dayton foot pedal rated at 6amps. This is the only foot pedal can hold a drill without burning itself up.

I cannot imagine burning up those 1/10 HP motors. Something is wrong - those are very, very tough motors. What are you doing with them? Mine are nearly 20 years old and going strong.

Keep in mind that the Renzetti is not a wood lathe and is not intended for heavy duty turning of hard woods and such. For turning EVA and cork, and light wood, those motors will last for years and years.

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Thanks for the quick reply's. Mike I tried searching @#$%& for renzetti motor and came up with nothing, which are you using? It looks like it needs a 1/4" shaft for the pulley, I can't find one large enough with the smaller shaft.

Henry I like the drill idea, I have the foot pedal that came with the Renzetti, not sure if it is the 6 amp, here it is on their website

[www.renzetti.com]

Also how did you mount the drill so the pulley's lined up correctly? Is there a specific drill I should be looking for that is compatible with the pedal?

Tom, thanks for the reply also. I did a search first and saw a post where you said the same thing.

The first one burnt up while I was trying to use a rasp on some cork which might be to much for the little motor and the second was using the drywall screen on EVA. Both times smoke came from the motor and both still work but not that well at slow speeds.

Henry, you wouldn't happen to have a pic of the setup, would you?

Scott,

What pulley set up are you using. I have a hunch about something.

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I'm not sure of which pulley (small, med, lg) I am using, but the setup is the normal Renzetti pulley system like the one pictured here

[www.renzetti.com]

Which pulley should I be using?

The belt should be on the smallest motor pulley rung and largest headstock pulley rung.

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A thought that may help along with Tom's suggestion...I bought one of the more solid type motor set ups now sold by Renzetti and had nothing but problems...I went back to the original hinge type mounted on the headstock with the belt running over the two pulleys {per Tom's suggestion of small to motor pulley and large to headstock} I have never lost a motor in 30 plus years and I ream cork constantly , along with shaping EVA and cork. It will not bog down if it comes under a load like the solid mount has done to me because it will "bounce" on the hinge and at times the "bounce" has caused the belt to come off the pulleys and letting the motor "freewheel"....hense no burnouts

A caution....if you burn out the Daytons {which are the very best } and go to the cheapies they will burnout alot faster on you...an old adage "you pay for what you get"

At one time I ran a quarter and also a half horse motor using the same pulleys but a longer belt that was solid mounted....a bit scarry until I a electrician friend of mine made them varible speed and foot controlled....to me it was doing the things I expected it to do...but still scarry...used the motors for other things and bought a mini lathe.

Tight Lines
Tight Wraps
Fishin'Stix by Fred

I'm wondering what pulley sizes Andy is supplying with those now. I'm having dinner with him on Thursday night and plan to ask. Mine have about a 6 to 1 reduction. Much less and I suspect that you're putting one heck of a lot of strain on the motor. These motors shouldn't be burning out and I'm thinking somebody at Renzetti has changed the pulley sizes. Or... you may have your belt on the wrong pulley rungs. I need to ask him about this. I'll make sure he's aware of your problem with these motors.

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Tom and others, I have a question. How many rods are you guys building a year? I am on another motor since my post a few months ago, and all was fine until we got an order for a set of 50's and 80's. When I was finished the very first underwrap on a 80, the familiar scent of burnt resin once again filled the air.

I would put out the option that Grainger offered a 2 year extended warrenty when I got one there a few months ago. I chuckled to myself and gladly plunked down the 27.99 for the extended warrenty. You guys might consider that as a viable option.

Kevin Knox

Kevin....30 plus years of building rods and too numerous to mention the amounts [has to be in the thousands] and NEVER have I had to replace a motor on my Clemens {Renzetti} of which I was one of the first to purchase one from Dale. I still have my back up that I bought as a "just in case" from Graingers getting dustier by the year.

Scott....Why not do what Kevin did and if that sucker goes bad on you make sure you have that warranty and for $28.00 it sure beats getting one of those question marks from E Bay at $25.00 {was shipping included?}
OR.....if you are still set on using a drill get a stand {solid} for it and a flexible attachment to run to the rear of your index head which has a hole in it that can easily be adapted to the flex line. I used a dryer motor in the same way many years ago and it still works to this day.

Tight Lines
Tight Wraps
Fishin'Stix by Fred

When I was actively involved in the rod building and repair business, I guess I was building about 100 rods per year and repairing perhaps 2500 rods per year. I did this for some 15 years with just the one machine. I did one heck of a lot turning, grinding and wrapping on my original unit with that motor, a 1/15 HP no less, and it's still in perfect condition save for a lot of scratches and dings on the case. I often "smoked" the foot control, but after cooling it always came back. Later on I got the solid state foot control and that took care of that problem. But the motor always got the job done and to be honest, I asked more of it than it was designed for. And yet, never burned it up. Nor have I damaged the 2 1/10 HP motors that I have now.


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Scott

Renzetti sells a turning motor that works well for heavy turning although you have to watch the temp of the motor while you are turning. I use 18 inch hapalon foregrips and 10.5 rear hapalon grips with extensive reshaping of both grips, the motor although larger will over heat with heavy sanding and turning so you have to give it a rest. You should be able to hold your hand on the motor for a nine count, if you cannot it is too hot. The turning motor does not have a foot control nor does it need it. Smallest motor grove to the largest headstock grove gives plently of speed for sanding and turning.

Charlie Roberts

Scott Youschak Wrote:
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> Thanks for the quick reply's. Mike I tried
> searching @#$%& for renzetti motor and came up with
> nothing, which are you using? It looks like it
> needs a 1/4" shaft for the pulley, I can't find
> one large enough with the smaller shaft.
>
> Henry I like the drill idea, I have the foot pedal
> that came with the Renzetti, not sure if it is the
> 6 amp, here it is on their website
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> [www.renzetti.com]
> 0&cat=283&page=1
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> Also how did you mount the drill so the pulley's
> lined up correctly? Is there a specific drill I
> should be looking for that is compatible with the
> pedal?

There is no way the renzetti foot pedal will hold a drill its rated for about 1 amp. A drill needs way more that this. You will burn it if you try it.


see here at the bottom of the page on this link. this pedal will hold a drill.

[www.electricmotorwarehouse.com]

My other buddy had his motor burn so we went to the industrial district where we live and got him this motor 2M145 1/2 HP for his dale clemens lathe and that pedal at the bottom of the page. He can turn anything with it now, never smell anything burning anymore. No slow down what so ever motor never complains.

My friend whom we used a drill with his lathe had just lost his job and didnt have the scratch for the setup mentioned above so we just gave him a drill and mounted it, we happen to have an extra 6 amp dayton pedal laying around so he was in luck. I will try and take a picture in a few days when next I go by his place.

By the way both these guys burned two motors each.

The reason they are burning motors is becasue they are turning with the pedal half pressed and not at full speed they both told me they always smell alot of smoke. So this is how I see them doing it. They were using them on the smallest and largest pulleys to get the most torque.

Renzetti should just sell the darn thing with the 1/2 horse power motor and be done with it. Their machine is so darn well made the motor is the weak link.

Incase anyone shoudl wonder how we mounted the 1/2 HP motor to 1/4 pulleys we didnt we used taig lathe pulleys they are the same as the renzetti's cept they will accept a 3/8 motor shaft.

[www.taigtools.com]

1161 6 step pulley set (2 pulleys per set) 3/8" motor shaft 3M 500 belt included $24.45

I forgot to mention you could just run the drill like normal without the pedal. My friend makes long butt wraps and underwraps so he likes to use the pedal in addition to uses his lathe to turn on. Otherwise he would just pop offf the belt and wrap by hand.

Ok guys. The reason I was asking volume question was that the lengeth of service of a motor irrelevent. Its how many rods with each motor that is the question. If I built 24 rods a year over 10 years thats 240 rods. If I build 240 in one year, thats totally different. I am looking forward to discussing this woith the renzetti folks this weekend.