How are you setting up guides on float rods for use with center pin reels. Due to the large diameter of a center pin reel, I assume the butt guide needs to sit rather high. However, I don't see why the diameter of the guide ring would need to be larger than say a 20 or 16. Next, I would imagine that the next couple of guides would also be high frames transitioning the line down to the blank. Then to reduce weight, I think that ceramic fly guides in size 7 or 8 would be used to run the line out to the tip. Is this correct? How do you do it? Why do factory rods use high frame guides all the way to the tip? Thanks for your help!!!

Size 20 for the first guide is perfect. You do not want to use fly guides because the line can stick to the blank in rainy conditions, this is especially true when fishing frog water. You can use high frame gudies as strippers but it is not necessary. I like Fugi SICs in regular or Titanium. Others use Forcast match guides for strippers and transition to REC's or Flexilite guides for the remaining guides. For strippers go 20,12,8............then finish off with 6,7 or #8's depending on your preference.Most go with #7's while #6's work best if you're fishing mostly warmer temps where ice buildup won't be an issue & #8' if you will be fishing alot of sub freezing temps. I hope this answers some of your questions. Feel free to email me if you need more info.

Regards
Dave

Fishing is Life the rest is just Details

Contrary to Dave, I've used inserted fly guides with good results. Most of your fly guides sit a lil' bit off the blank, and you got to take into consideration the ID of the ring used, for that has to do with how far the line sits off the blank too. I don't use them smaller than 8's, the smaller guides do sit too close to the blank, as Dave mentioned. The AMTAK Titan fly guides sit right on the blank, so they are not a good option, IMHO. Fuigi, batson annd the new AMTAK Ringlocks have a lil' bit of hight to the foot and work very good, IMHO. Personally, I like them and use them on float rods quite a bit. I fish in the cold, rain, etc...and really never noticed a problem with the line sticking to the blank. That will occour if the guides aren't spaced properly in the 1st place. Using a higher frame gives you a bit of room for error in your spacing, when you use the inserted fly guides, you got to be more precise and might even have to use an extra guide. I'me working on a rod right now and I'm using regular ol' Alconites. 20, 12,8, 8L, 8 fly guides all the way out to the tip with a size 8 tip top. This setup works well on a float rod. I'm not as experienced as a lot of guys, but I've got enough time in the rod shop and have played around with a bunch of different guides for float rods during fishing situitions. I don't run guides smaller than 8, unless I know for a fact that it will just be a warm weather rod,( I've only done that once-you do pick up a lil' bit of preformance with the smaller guides). My favorite guide for a float rod is a REC Recoil. They are too controversial right now for me to reccomend to use them. My personal experience with them is they are a great guide for float fishing with mono. Mr Orr gave you some very sound advice as well.

Good Luck!


Danny

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information,which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance--that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
- Herbert Spencer

Scott...

I echo what Dave said. But unfortunialtly not what my mentor Danny said. Using fly guides adds 2 times the weight to your float rod. How? By twice the thread, twice the threadfinish. And, this gets exponentially worse the longer the rod and slower the rod. It is my philosphy to keep the weight down AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE on a float rod as it is soooooooooooo noticible on these rods compared to any other.

But I do agree with my mentor Danny as to the REC will make great float rod guides. Lust use a SZ 20-12 hi frame guide then run the recoils all the way up. At the tip use a SIC, and you'll be ok!

Paul

Paul
I think Danny was talking about single foot ceramic guides and not snake guides therefore there is only one wrap and one fininsh

Rolly Beenen
Rovic Custom Rods

Paul Rotkis Wrote:
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> Scott...
>
> I echo what Dave said. But unfortunialtly not
> what my mentor Danny said. Using fly guides adds
> 2 times the weight to your float rod. How? By
> twice the thread, twice the threadfinish. And,
> this gets exponentially worse the longer the rod
> and slower the rod. It is my philosphy to keep
> the weight down AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE on a float rod
> as it is soooooooooooo noticible on these rods
> compared to any other.
>
> But I do agree with my mentor Danny as to the REC
> will make great float rod guides. Lust use a SZ
> 20-12 hi frame guide then run the recoils all the
> way up. At the tip use a SIC, and you'll be ok!
>
> Paul


Silly Paul, I was refering to inserted SINGLE FOOT fly guides.....Didn't I teach you better?

You crack me up......

Later,

Danny

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information,which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance--that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
- Herbert Spencer

Danny Ross Wrote:
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> Paul Rotkis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Scott...
> >
> > I echo what Dave said. But unfortunialtly
> not
> > what my mentor Danny said. Using fly guides
> adds
> > 2 times the weight to your float rod. How?
> By
> > twice the thread, twice the threadfinish.
> And,
> > this gets exponentially worse the longer the
> rod
> > and slower the rod. It is my philosphy to
> keep
> > the weight down AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE on a
> float rod
> > as it is soooooooooooo noticible on these
> rods
> > compared to any other.
> >
> > But I do agree with my mentor Danny as to the
> REC
> > will make great float rod guides. Lust use a
> SZ
> > 20-12 hi frame guide then run the recoils all
> the
> > way up. At the tip use a SIC, and you'll be
> ok!
> >
> > Paul
>
>
> Silly Paul, I was refering to inserted SINGLE FOOT
> fly guides.....Didn't I teach you better?
>
> You crack me up......
>
> Later,
>
> Danny
>
> Life is short; enjoy ever minute!

Yeah Danny, Paul isn't the sharpest tack in the box. Probably from falling off the ladder truck one too many times. LOL



Regards
Dave

Fishing is Life the rest is just Details

HAHA.. it's all funny until someone falls from the ladder truck!!

Paul