Ok guys...I need some advice. I need to build a rod from my aunt for her anniversary gift and it needs to have purple nylon wraps with holograghic trim bands. What thread should I buy for the holographic trim bands and accents? I noticed mudhole has some prizim thread in fusicia that might look pretty good. Anyone have any reccomendations? I just want to make shure I don't get any of that ribbon type thread by mistake. I will also be using guides with holo rings as well. Thanks again guys.

TJ

Prizm is the ribbon type. Gudebrod had Electra thread which had holographics but I don't think they make it anymore.

Do not use any metallic purple thread. Color change is quite quick in sunlight to a dull pewter color.

... and Sulky HoloShimmer, which is a ribbon thread

Nothing wrong with using the ribbon thread for trim bands......looks cool too.

Thanks for the replys guys. Concerning the ribbon type stuff, is there any special tricks to using it. I mainly want to use it for trim (end bands) on my wraps. I usually just tape a piece of metallic thread down to the blank and start my wrap over the top. I then trim the metallic after about 6 or7 turns of the main wrap thread and finish the wrap. Once the wrap is complete, I lay a tie off loop next to the metallic tag protruding from under the wrap and usually make three turns and then pull it under and snip off the tag. Would that method work for the ribbon type thread? It seems to me since it is flat, it would be hard to lay next to itself and would get messed up when you do your tie off. Thanks guys.

TJ

I do single band trim wraps with Prizm by using a tooth pick to put a SMALL (as small as you can get it) drop of superglue on the blank. Push the end of the the Prizm onto the superglue. Wrap the Prizm around the blank. Put another dap of superglue on the Prizm where you glued it to the blank. Wrap the Prizm over itself and the 2nd dab. use a razor blade to hold the Prizm into the superglue and pull the tag end back against the razor to trim it. The superglue will hold the Prizm in place until you apply the finish. After you do a few of these you'll be able to do the whole thing in 5 - 10 seconds.

I use the prizim lots for trim bands but I find it just does not act like tread so the usual wrapping mehtod does not work for me. I put a minute dab of crazy glue about an inch up from the starting end of the prizim and hold it on the trim band start point. Adhears within 10 to 15 seconds. Trim the overhanging tag and do the wrap. To finish, I wrap the prizim back on to itself and use a tooth picl to put another dab of crazy glue on the prizim then continue the wrap till the dab makes contact. Hold for 10 seconds and trim it off where it is glued down. works for me every time and is real quick.

I do single bands with the Prizm just like I would any other type of thread. The key to using the Prizm thread is moderation, it shines so much that a single wrap is all you need, more than that and it looks too cheezy.

Bill,,, is the purple thing generic, or just with certain threads?

It seems to me that the Sulky metallic (so far) is much better for not fading than the Gudebrod for me.

It depends on the properties of the finish used over top of it, too. Some finishes really allow the sunlight to do damage, others not as fast.

A very thin coat of finish will allow fading much sooner than a thicker coat of finish with the Gudebrod purple metallic.

Putter
Williston, ND

Thanks for all the responses guys. I am seriously considering just using Gudebrod purple nylon and the metallic dusty rose for the accents. Has anyone noticed the fading issue with any of the pinks as well? Being hard to really tell from the colors on my screen, is anyone familiar with that combo and do you think the two will compliment each other? Thanks fellas.

TJ

Thanks Randy,,, I'm not real surprised that Sulky holds up better. They have a much wider and more varied market, more R&D, competition, and upgrade/revamp their stuff with technology changes. Sounds like I won't worry too much about Sulky purple then. I have just a few colors short of a full set of Holoshimmer that I scored cheap on @#$%&. I've been avoiding Gudebrod because I jfeel they rest on tradition, while technology passed them by many years ago.

So far as finish, seems to me that all the made-for-rod finishes have a UV problem. I've wondered about using Minwax Clearshield, which is their updated spar if you read their site, and even mentions fiberglass in the list of items. I also note that TAP Plastics has an epoxy finish for outdoors that has some UV aspect to it: "EX-74 is the UV resistant version of Ultra-Glo suitable for exterior use.". I have sorta wondered about how these would work on rods. I have to wonder why the 'official' finishes don't actually become UV protectant. Maybe it makes them less clear, but what good is crystal clear if what's under it fades and degrades?

And the traditional thread used for rods (Gudebrod again) is not UV resistant. So UV transparent finishes over UV sensitive nylon is the 'standard'. :-O There actually is UV protected nylon out there, but not in the rod building world. I just got an assortment of c-lon thread in D. Looks nice enough and is UV and fray resistant. Much less fuzzy looking than poly sewing threads and Gudebrod nylon. I'm gonna give it a try this weekend, over B underwraps. Lots of folks seem to be using poly thread as well, which is usually UV resistant.

Tim, Halographic thread is easy to deal with.

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Prizm is good stuff, as is the Sulky. Like Jim, I've done many a butt wrap with nothing but holo, and use it a lot for trim bands. I use the superglue method. Much easier than traditional loops. Only two warnings. Use as little glue as possible as too much will whiten/deaden the holo effect, and permagloss will disolve superglue. It's very annoying to PG your wraps and a few minutes later watch all your prizm bands pop off like a machine gun down the rod.

As far as purple metallics go, the stuff fades out really fast. I've only tested gudebrod and coats and clark, but both go south real fast. I try to stay away from the blue and red metallics as much as possible. The regular nylons are as good as any other color for the most part, but there is something about those metallics. The holo blues and reds don't seem to have this problem though, at least in a radical amount.

100% holo buttwrap? Open I hope :-)
Any recommendations on patterm for such a wrap?
I was going thru Billy's book and wonder about the Snowflake. But ending it at the 3rd stage rather than all 6 stages. The Maze is another I think might look good incomplete and with holo.. I had another few picked out from the visual wrap lib as well, not in the book, but they escape me at this moment.

The Gudebrod purple thread looks nice,but Angler's Workshop has a few colors of purple that look much better IMHO.The color Grape(with CP) looks absolutely fantastic when matched with the holographic zirconia ring guides and some thin holographic trim.

I built a rod with the holo guides and used this thread,along with Gudebrod's size A gold colored Electra Holographic Thread and the result was beautiful.Gudebrod Cobalt Blue(with CP) looks great with these guides as well.