Mick (thanks Mick) noted in another thread-I didnt want to hijack the other guys thread- that is was fine to use permagloss as a 1st coat of finish and re-coat later with a 2 part finish like Threadmaster or the like.

Questions:

How long should the permagloss dry before adding finish over it?

How long is too long to wait before adding finish over it?

How good will the adheasion betwen the PG and finish be?

DR

Duane,

I wait 2-3 hours before I put finish on over Permaglos. One problem I have this time of year is that my shop is in the basement and is colder this time of year. If I ture on the baseboard heaters and get the temp. up to 68 degrees F two hours is enought. I want to talk to Jim Upton on this subject in High Point! I think it is the best route to go but do not understand why.

Ed Smith

I have waited several days after applying Permagloss prior to an over coat of two part epoxy without any ill effects. I alwys apply PG as my first coat to protect and fix my wraps. This allows me to apply the two part at my convenience.

Stan Grace
Helena, MT
"Our best is none too good"

I just did this on a Fenglass rebuild and it turned out great. I put down 2 coats of permagloss 1 - 2 hours apart, cut any thread burrs off with a razor and then 1 coat of flex coat lite about 20 hours later. It is really nice and low build, just enough to cover the thread grooves and perfect for flyrods. I may do this on all my rods from now on.

Lou

Permagloss provides Peace of Mind

Permagloss provides a great protective first coat for wraps. Super strong and flexible; goes on fast and dries to the touch very quickly. I read that it is very important to allow time for all the vapors to evaporate before coating PG with any other finish, so I prefer to wait at least 4 hours. I feel safer waiting a day if possible. Once this first coat has dried I can stop worrying about the wraps being harmed. It also creates a smooth base for over wraps. Great product.

Perma Gloss is a humidity cure urathane and so the amount of time it take to cure enough before recoating can be up to an hour. Follow the permagloss instructions and when in doubt and test your process before you do it on your final product, Alway use thin coats for best results. A very clear and tough thread finish is to use 7 or 8 coats of Perma Gloss. This number of thin coats will usually completely cover A thread. I use Permagloss when in fishing camp to repair guides and have the rod back on the boat in a few hours. I have even used it to hold a guide ring in when I did not have super glue available and it worked well.
To preserve freshness of PG try storing it in a frost free frig, they have low very low humidity on the upper most shelf. Another way is to use a new unlined 1/4 ro 1/2 pt paint can. Before pouring in the PG screw in a a #6 or 8 screw eyelet in the side of the can at the base seam. Then pour in the PG and paint some of the left over PG on the lids sealing edge and press in on the can. A little PG will seep out around the screw eyelet and seal itself. Place the can on a doubled piece of paper towel to protect the surface the can sets on. Use the eyelet as a spigot to dribble out PG. Most times a few drops of PG will do the job so the eyelet just needs to be unscrewed enough to allow the PG to seep out a few drops at a time. I have cans that have lasted for two years. Could go into detail why this works so well but suffice it to say it does.
Thanks Ralph O'Quinn for sharing tips on PG with me over the years.



His Rod Shop
Joe Kassuba

Like Stan, I usually wait for 2-3 days before PG almost stops smell at all. A couple of times applied 2-part finish over it next day without having any problems, though...

Pavel,
Moscow, RU

Another plus is that, because of the unique properties of PG, it will give your thread a slightly different color than either straight epoxy, or epoxy plus CP. So for example, 396 brown will turn very dark covered with straight epoxy, and will retain its original color with CP and epoxy. The color with PG, though, will be somewhere in between.

My only trouble with PG has been getting the tunnels completely filled. It tends to shrink a little or pull back as it dries. I was always able to get the tunnels about half-way full.

Sounds like a win-win deal.......all but Andrews post about the tunnels......is that common with PG?

DR

I apply one or two coats of Permagloss; letting each coat dry completely before proceeding. ThreadMaster is then applied to fill the Tunnels and finish the wraps. If only using Permagloss I use multiple coats; at least 4 on light fly blanks and 6-9 on heavier blanks.