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MSDS for Rodbuilding- Cliff Hall?
Posted by: Derek McMaster (---.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net)
Date: September 04, 2006 05:14PM

After my first adverse reaction to chemical cross contamination while building a rod (please don't ask) I find myself wondering if a MSDS

Material Data Safety Sheet

Compilation would be appropriate to avoid embarrasing and potentially FATAL chemical reations.

I am serious about this folks.

Thoughts??



Derek L. McMaster
Rohnert Park, CA

Born to Fish, FORCED to Work

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Re: MSDS for Rodbuilding- Cliff Hall?
Posted by: Michael Joyce (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: September 04, 2006 06:55PM

Having an MSDS listing for commonly used rodbuilding products, available in the library isn't such a bad idea. MSDS's for just about everything, can be found by searching "MSDS", "NIOSH" or "OSHA"

If a product says "use proper ventilation" , "dust mask recommended", " avoid skin contact", or "wear eye protection"....then its up to YOU to protect yourself............or just shrug it off.

YOU're responsible for your own health and safety with all the chemicals and solvents you use.

Mike



NERB that types with a bar of Ivory soap in his mouth.

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Re: MSDS for Rodbuilding- Cliff Hall?
Posted by: Cliff Hall (---.dialup.ufl.edu)
Date: September 05, 2006 04:30AM

First of all, as Mike Joyce said: Reading product labels, reading MSDS, observing general safety principles and making safe use of products & materials is a personal responsibility that we should all strive to maintain.

Let me cover some general discussion and provide Links to more information that you can reference for yourself. Since this could become a chapter in a book, this Post will just be covering the high-lights. And other Replies can speak about their own specific situations and experiences.

Anyone who is having evidence of increased health problems from continued use of epoxy or rod-building chemicals should re-consider their use, and even consult an MD-Allergist. Some Allergic / Hyper-Sensitivity reactions may be IMMEDIATELY life-threatening. Yes, this is very rare, but not rare enough.

RBO Archives Search = “ALLERG”, “SENSITIV”, "ANAPHYLA"

Re: Ralph <> More info on those nasty amines please !!!!!
Cliff Hall 02-05-06 06:34 [Embedded Links]
[www.rodbuilding.org]

The Physical & Theoretical Chemistry Laboratory of
Oxford University: Chemical & Other Safety Information
[physchem.ox.ac.uk]

General Safety Precautions
• FLAMMABLE – Avoid use around open-flames or sources of ignition.
• Do not ingest or inhale. / Do not volatize or “flame” epoxy.
• Avoid skin contact. / Wear nitrile or latex gloves.
• Avoid concentrated vapors. / Use adequate ventilation.
• Avoid inhaling epoxy vapors, esp. “flaming” or “de-bubbling” over foil.
• Wear eye protection against chemical and mechanical injury.
• Remove soaked towels from the workroom. / Minimize exposure time.
• LINSEED OIL may SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUST upon drying.

General Categories of Chemical Substances Used in Rod-Building:
Alcohols: IsoPropyl Alcohol De-Natured Alcohol Ethanol Methanol
Ketones: Acetone MEK (Methyl Ethyl Ketone)
Bases: Xylene Lacquer
Strippers: Mineral Spirits Kerosene
ETF: Epoxy Thread Finishes – AMINE Hardeners and Epoxide Resin
EpAds: Epoxy Adhesives – AMINE Hardeners and Epoxide Resin
Finish: Polyurethane Varnish
CP: Acrylics
HMGs: Hot-Melt Glues
Adhesives: CAs (Cyano-Acrylate “Krazy Glues”) Kardol Gorilla Glue Contact Cement

Signs / Symptoms of Exposure to Toxic Chemicals:
• Dizziness / Headache / Faintness / Blurred Vision
• Nausea / Vomiting / Diarrhea / Increased Urination
• Skin / Eye / Throat / Lung Irritation / General Irritability
• Decreased Manual Dexterity or Slowed Reaction Time
• Confusion or Decreased Mental Agility / Acuity

Allergy / Anaphylaxis / Sensitivity / Immunology Reactions:
• Burning Skin / Watery Eyes / Difficulty Swallowing / Coughing
• Hives / Wheals / Red skin / Swelling at Point of Contact
• Sweating / Sweaty Palms / Faintness / Blurred Vision
• Changes in Heart Rate or Breathing Rate

The AMINE Hardener of 2-part Epoxy is the component that is perceived by the body’s immune system as a foreign protein or “allergen”. It may smell faintly like ammonia. As with any chemical, if you can smell it, you are inhaling it. –Cliff Hall.


Re: Severe Reaction to Epoxy
Erik Kunz 02-23-05 19:25
[www.rodbuilding.org]
Most cases of epoxy sensitization are attributed to the resin... the most common being the DiGlycidyl Ether of Bis-phenol A (DGEBA) based epoxy resin oligomer with a molecular weight of 340. The sensitizing potential of an epoxy resin decreases as the average molecular weight increases, although even some higher MW molecules can still cause sensitization. … Bottom line... again... is to minimize your skin exposure.
Erik Kunz, CIH [Certified Industrial Hygienist] Santa Rosa, CA



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/05/2006 04:35AM by Cliff Hall.

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Re: MSDS for Rodbuilding- Cliff Hall?
Posted by: Cliff Hall (---.dialup.ufl.edu)
Date: September 08, 2006 05:54PM

Derek McMaster - I tried e-mailing you, but got a
USER UNKNOWN Fatal Error. Reply if you want more
medical advice. ... Cliff Hall <[email protected]>

User Profile : Derek McMaster
Email: dsrtegl2004@earthlink.net
Date Registered: 03/19/05 10:15AM
Last Activity: 09/07/06 09:23AM

Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 18:37:21 -0400
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[email protected]>
To: "Clifford M. Hall" <[email protected]>

The original message was received at Fri, 8 Sep 2006 18:37:17 -0400
from ppp-s173-n154-as5400-1.dialup.ufl.edu [128.227.173.154]

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