I am sure this has been covered but here it goes again. I can only find madiera thread in polyester unless I special order nylon. Do I need to order nylon or will the polyester work? Thanks guys. I love this site.

What you want for rods is the Polyneon #40 (all 350 colors LOL) Be aware that you need to use CP with it. Do a SEARCH here. Type in madiera and select ALL DATES and you will find everything there is to know about using Madiera.

Mike (Southgate, MI)
If I don't want to, I don't have to and nobody can make me (except my wife) cuz I'm RETIRED!!

Pat, you need polyneon #40 like Mike said. Now, I have had good luck with this thread without CP. Yes, it will darken the thread but I have not had any fish eyes. Also, you will get some bleed through. Here are a few photos of no CP...
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And a few with CP...
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Jim Rippe..............


1. What finish do you use with Madeira, that you don't need CP?
2. With that finish, what technique, and method/tips of application do you use in order to prevent "fisheyes' without CP?
3. How do you overcome the "repellamathafacation" of the silicone?

Michael, I use LS Supreme. Not the high build. I brush it on and usually takes about two coats. That tartan I used the nice stuff, Thread Master. I don't do anything different. Another rod builder on this board has seen a finished piece at the Midwest Gathering.

Do you get slight fisheyes on the first coat? And on the second coat things just one into place?

None at all. Like I said, I don't have a problem with fish eyes.

.....it must be the LS Supreme, unfortunately I truly can't stand that stuff.

Michael, Can't be the LS since he used Threadmaster on the Tartan

Mike (Southgate, MI)
If I don't want to, I don't have to and nobody can make me (except my wife) cuz I'm RETIRED!!

I did a repair on a rod using Mettler # 40, and I am guessing that is pretty much the same as Madiera and since the rest of the guides were done in black without CP I tried it and it worked out fine, no fisheyes at all and I use Classic Rod Coat epoxy. But I am very fussy about keeping my fingers clean to make sure I don't leave any oily finger prints on my wraps.

I must have a bad batch of madeira.LOL.....I've never been able to avoid fisheyes with this silicone coated thread.

I am not sure that Mettler is silicone treated, just guessing that it would be since it is made for the same purpose.

Michael

You might want to give Coates & Clark Trilobal Thread a try. Per manufacturers specs the thread is not supposed to contain any lubricants. I am using it and so far all fisheyers have been narrowed down to greasy fingers and a cluttered wrapping area....All my faults and not the threads.



Derek L. McMaster
Rohnert Park, CA

Born to Fish, FORCED to Work

MJoyce - try applying the finish without heat/propane. I coated 2 guides (VERY HEAVILY) last week with Madeira & Thredmaster, I put a heavy coat, heated with Propane, teh epoxy slipped and slided all over teh thread. I then moved the epoxy back where it belonged, and did a Doc Ski straw trick to warm it back up and get rid of the ridges from moving it back in place.

Final result was 1 coat of TM, 2 completely covered guide wraps, with some of those micro bubbles which Proprane always takes care of. Try picking the best of 2 evils, lol.

I gotta get a picture up of the test I did after seeing Jim's tartan. Six bright Maderia colors over white. Finished with Supreme and NO FISHEYES!!. Some of the blends were really interesting and some were too drab. I did have to play with the finish a bit, but was really surprised that it didn't need the CP. I don't normally do the wait till it sags bit, but this time finish was applied heavily and wicked off, maybe thats the answer to the fish eyes?

For Sale: 700 spools of thread of all kinds, about 2 gallons of various finishes, lots of widgets and tape. 3/4 gallon of misc CP, clemens lathe, bench grinder , propane torch, razor blades, etc......................later.

Grant, I'm glad you gave it a try. Hope you post your test photo soon. I believe that the guys that are getting fish eyes are causing the problem by contaminating the thread. Most of the time I will wash my hands before doing a wrap to make sure my hands are clean and oil free.

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Michael Joyce Wrote:
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> For Sale: 700 spools of thread of all kinds, about
> 2 gallons of various finishes, lots of widgets and
> tape. 3/4 gallon of misc CP, clemens lathe, bench
> grinder , propane torch, razor blades,
> etc......................later.

I'll give you $200

$400 is fine but you'll have to pick it up...lol