I have been playing with guide placement and differant types of spirals and I think I am going to use the simple spiral and was thinking of putting some kind of ring where the line would touch the blank I would like a titanium ring to match the guides. The blank is about 9/16"(.625) at that point Do any of the venders at the left carry anything like that. Or maybe a womans ring. Anyone know what size that might be in a ring. any other ideas would be great.
Thanks Jack

Do a search here for more information on that concept. It's been done and with some degree of success. You must be careful not to use a ring that affixes tightly around the blank without some "give" or cushion or you may have a failure at the point where the ring constricts the blank.

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Michael Joyce posted a photo not to long ago showing how he used
an SiC guide ring that he popped out of the guide.


Go to the photo section and see "member galleries" under "M"

Raymond Adams
Eventually, all things merge, and a river runs through it..

Thanks everyone,
I think I got this rod going in the right direction so I will use this info on the next rod.
Jack

Jack, that ring in the photo just happened to suit my needs. I'd venture to gues that by heating and popping rings out of guides, you could get what your looking for, something to keep line off the blank. You will need to remove the adhesive from the ring, super fine wet sand, and polish/buff at high speed for a smooth surface. The concept of a bumper ring makes sense and works, but it really looks 'funky stupid'.

Thanks,
I really like the idea of the SIC ring (next rod) This rod is a e-glass blank pretty big in the butt.12-25
I played with all the differant spirals that I read about and the best I could come up with is #20 at about 25 deg the next is a #10 at about 120 deg and the rest #8 at 180 deg That keeps the line just off the blank the line looks good with the eye, pretty straight and smooth. Is there any reason that it won't work like that.
This is my first rod so It has been fun and by moving guides around you learn a lot.
Thanks for all the help.
Jack

Jack, Personally, I consider the Simple or "Bumper" spiralthe easiest to set up and VERY effective. One guide on top and all the rest at 180 degrees witha small guide at 90 degrees exactly 1/2 way between the butt guide and the first 180 guide. Works GREAT!

Mike (Southgate, MI)
If I don't want to, I don't have to and nobody can make me (except my wife) cuz I'm RETIRED!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/23/2006 09:08PM by Mike Barkley.

Yes and that is how I will more then likley do the next rod. I am trying to finish this rod for next weekend.
Also when I tried it on this rod(simple spiral) there is a lot of presure to the blank under load And putting a guide inbetween seems Like it would make it worse. Right now the way I have it it runs 1/16"-1/8" off the blank and hits the top or bottom of every guide (no side loads.) The line seems to stay true weather under load or not. I think I am happy. but rember this is my first rod. I have fished with a lot of differant rods just haven't built any. Thank you for any help
Jack

Jack Just an Idea here. If you went with a guide ring you might want to use one just a little bigger then the blank. Do a short under wrap to protect the blank . Then do a short decorative wrap on each side. To kind of blend it into the rod so it doesn’t look like it’s out of place

Jack,
Steve's suggestion is a good one. When a rod deflects it becomes slightly elliptical in the area where the deflection is so if your rod will deflect or bend in the area where you are planning the metal ring or guide insert to be you will not want the guide insert or metal ring to fit tight. If it does fit tight so that it prevents the rod from becoming elliptical the rod will likely fracture at that point. I do not really know but I suspect that a guide insert will break before most rods will but a metal ring fitting tight around the blank is asking for trouble.

Short under wrap under SIC ring? Would you wrap then maybe epoxy the ring to the wrap and then finish or finish and then epoxy ring to finish?
Thanks for all your help.
Jack