Dear friends,

First of all, excuse me because it's quite difficult to me to explain this just with words, but I'm afraid this is the only way.

In order to get more skill, I sometimes try to emule some of your wraps. Sometimes I success and sometimes results are very far from the original . Worse, of course.

In this case, I'm beginning with what I call "multiple trim". I don't know the righ name. I mean several close trims in a run, like this one from Hiro Tanaka [www.rodbuilding.org] For these example I'm talking about the series of trims between the roller feet.

When I begun with easiest ones (I mean maybe a band next to a trim) I junt used a short piece of golden (in the example) thread and added it to the wrap. Then I wrapped it over the black one (being this holded by a piece of masking tape at a 90º angle) and made the trim.

I tried to do the same with the Hiro's picture in a 130 lb rod, but the piece of golden thread had to be... almost 3 yards!!! to make all trims with the same piece of thread.

How are these trims done?. All with the same thread?. I cannot add and drop pieces of thread in such a small place to make the trims with different threads...

Is there any place to get more info?

Best regards,



Daniel Rotea
Alicante (Spain)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/13/2006 09:17AM by Daniel Rotea.

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With Hiro's example, add your trim thread and then wrap the trim AND the main thread together. You will have two threads being wound at the same time until you get to where you want to stop. Then just wrap over the trim thread with your main thread.

I've "Custom Rod Thread Art" and "Advanced Rod Building" by Dale P. Clemens and the one by Tom Kirkman, but I didn't find how to "run" several trims. Is there any book you would advice about this?

Daniel Rotea
Alicante (Spain)

All three of those cover the subject pretty well.

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I've read all 3 books and I've also watched Ken's video. But my mainn doubdt is ow to handle the trim thread. This is not a problem for narrow bands (up to 10 or 15 turns) but, in this example we're talkin about 40+ turns. Remember I'm talking about the series between the roller feet and about how to "link" them.

Are them all made with just a single thread?. Inthis case, it has to be very long (for a 1" section, we're talking about 3 or 4 yards). So it's quite difficult keeping all this thread in place with masking tape.

Is all this thread coming direcly from th spool?. How do you avoid the golden thread turning while wraping the black one between two golden series?

Is each serie (golden or blank) wraped from a diferent piece of thread?. How do you add/drop them in just a copukpe of wounds?.

These is the summary of my doubt. Maybe it's easy to understand now.




Daniel Rotea
Alicante (Spain)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/13/2006 09:19AM by Daniel Rotea.

To do the trim bands in Hiro's guide wrap that are in the underwrap put your spool of gold thread in a thread bobbin like those used by fly tiers. Pull out a length of thread then tape the bobbin to the blank as you wrap over the gold. Then pick up the bobbin and bring in the gold when you need it. Just remember that when you wrap the wide bands you must go behind the main thread on each wrap so it's under the gold. To do the single bands wrap both threads together. It will take some practice especially to get all the starts and stops to line up.

That's it, Jim!

I'm already able of doing both wide and bands. The problem was how to do it with a long thread. So the secret was the thread bobbin...

Thanks again, folks!


Daniel Rotea
Alicante (Spain)

If I am doing a long band I use my wrapping machine. I do the black, then when i stop, I bring the gold onto the blank " to the left " of the black, wrapping left to right, lock it onto the blank, cut the black thread trim, then wrap the gold. When the gold is done, I bring the black onto the blank " to the left " of the gold, lock it in then cut the gold. If it is only several turns for a small band I use a piece of thread cut off the spool.
Hope this helps

Daniel,

You would cut the thread then say 5 or 10 wraps before you want to start the new color you start your trim color and wrap over it so it is under your main color when you get to the point where you want to start the trim you wrap both colors at the same time when you get to the end you wrap the main color back over the trim so it is underneath....this will hold your trim color in place.