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Alconite - Is it zirconium or premium aluminum oxide?
Posted by:
Marty Martin
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Date: March 08, 2006 10:02AM
I've heard both. Re: Alconite - Is it zirconium or premium aluminum oxide?
Posted by:
Spencer Phipps
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Date: March 08, 2006 11:06AM
According to American Tackle the zirconia ring is a little harder than the alconite. SiC is a little harder than the zirconia. Re: Alconite - Is it zirconium or premium aluminum oxide?
Posted by:
Emory Harry
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Date: March 08, 2006 12:03PM
Alconite is a high grade of aluminum oxide and I think that American Tackle's Nanolite is as well. As Spencer points out zerconium is an entirely different material with a higher Vicker's hardness than aluminum oxide. The zerconium guide inserts also have a vacuum chamber deposited coating on them that gives them the color and the coating is even harder and smoother than the zerconium itself. If I remember correctly the coating is silicon nitride for one of the colors and I can not recall what it is on the other colors Re: Alconite - Is it zirconium or premium aluminum oxide?
Posted by:
Cliff Hall
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Date: March 08, 2006 01:44PM
VICKER'S HARDNESS SCALE:
Stainless Steel (SS): 200 Chrome: 800-1000 Aluminum Oxide: 1200-1400 Alconite: 1700 Zirconia: 1400-1800 NANOLITE: 1800 SiC: 2200-2400 ALL of these materials are SUFFICIENTLY HARD to make good guide rings. ALL of the CERAMICS (Aluminum Oxide, Hardloy, Hialoy, Alconite, Zirconia, NanoLite, Silicon Nitride-SiN and Silicon Carbide-SiC) are MUCH HARDER than any metals (SS, Steel Files, Chrome) and HARDER than any SILICA (sand) or QUARTZ, and ANY of the CERAMICS make GREAT RING GUIDES. However Silicon Carbide is indisputably the hardest among those listed above. Re: SiC guides ... Cliff Hall ... Nov. 3, 2005 06:11PM [www.rodbuilding.org] Guide Ring Ceramics Compared to Silicon Carbide (SIC): Re: SiC guides ... Mark Gibson ... Nov. 6, 2005 09:10AM [www.rodbuilding.org] Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/08/2006 02:03PM by Cliff Hall. Re: Alconite - Is it zirconium or premium aluminum oxide?
Posted by:
Emory Harry
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Date: March 08, 2006 05:29PM
Cliff,
I have a different set of Vicker's hardness numbers than you do but Aluminum Oxide is available in a range of different grades with different Vicker's hardness. Plus the Zirconium inserts are PVD coated. Gold=Titanium Nitrate coated Silver=Titanium Hydrogenation coated Blue=Titanium Oxide ocated All three of these PVD coatings have a higher Vickers hardness than the underlying zerconium. The PVD coatings are also smoother resulting in a lower coefficient of friction. Re: Alconite - Is it zirconium or premium aluminum oxide?
Posted by:
Michael Blomme
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Date: March 08, 2006 06:00PM
Marty,
Following up on what Cliff listed, I found that zirconia is actually zirconium dioxide rather than the metal zirconium, which is quite soft in its pure form. Pac Bay, Batson, and American Tackle all coat their zirconia rings with, Tutanium Nitride ( 2500-3000 Vicker's Scale), Titanium Carbide (1900-2400 Vicker's Scale), and Titanium Oxide (I didn't check that). I wonder why Titanium carbide is often listed in the catalogs as TiCh? As I understand it from the various catlaogs, these materials are vapor deposited on the surface of the zirconia. Cliff, where did you find the information on Nanolite and Alconite materials? Send me an e-mail if you wish. Thanks, Mike Blomme Re: Alconite - Is it zirconium or premium aluminum oxide?
Posted by:
Cliff Hall
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Date: March 08, 2006 07:01PM
Cliff, where did you find the information on
Nanolite - JOE MEEHAN, AM-TAC and Alconite - MARK GIBSON, Material Sci./Eng. materials? SEE [www.rodbuilding.org] GOTTA RUN, ... Later - c.midnite. -Cliff Hall+++ Re: Nanolite vs. SiC help ... Joe Meehan ... July 26, 2005 10:28AM [www.rodbuilding.org] Hi Guys, - The Nanolite ring is around 1800 VH just under SiC @ 2200. The ring like SiC, will handle wire line in recreational situations, and will certainly stand up to the various super braids. The extra hardness of SiC is just not worth it, in our opinion. ... Joe Meehan joe@americantackle.us Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/08/2006 11:28PM by Cliff Hall. Re: Alconite - Is it zirconium or premium aluminum oxide?
Posted by:
Cliff Hall
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Date: March 09, 2006 10:25AM
VICKER'S HARDNESS SCALE Values
for Line Guide Ring Materials 2005 Stainless Steel (SS): 400 [B.E.] Chrome: 800-1000 [C.M.] Carbaloy: 1000 [B.E.] Aluminum Oxide: 1200-1400 [B.E., C.M.] Alconite (Fuji): 1300-1500 [Fuji] NanoLite (Titan): 1800 [J.M.] Zirconia: 1000-1400 [M.G.] Zirconia PVD: 1600 [B.E.] SiC: 2200-2400 [B.E., C.M.] ALL of these materials are SUFFICIENTLY HARD to make good guide rings. ALL of the CERAMICS (Aluminum Oxide, Hardloy, Hialoy, Alconite, NanoLite, Zirconia, Silicon Nitride-SiN and Silicon Carbide-SiC) are HARDER than any metals (SS, Steel Files, Chrome) and HARDER than any SILICA (sand) or QUARTZ. Therefore, ANY of the CERAMICS make GREAT RING GUIDES. However Silicon Carbide is indisputably the hardest among those listed above. REFERENCES: [B.E.] = BATSON ENTERPRISES ForeCast Components 2005 Catalog, page 2. [C.M.] = Corrosion Management (May 2003), pp. 16-22. [J.M.] = Joe Meehan, American Tackle – on RBO Forum – [www.rodbuilding.org] [M.G.] = Mark Gibson, Material Sci./Eng. – on RBO Forum [www.rodbuilding.org] -Cliff Hall+++, Gainesville, FL-USA***** Re: Alconite - Is it zirconium or premium aluminum oxide?
Posted by:
Randy Weakley
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Date: March 17, 2017 09:47AM
Will the metal ones be "sufficiently hard" to handle braid? I built a rod with Minimas for my daughter. After losing a fish to lighter mono and feeling the properties of the blank, I decided it would be better for her to use braid. All she really does is throw out dough bait for catfish, and using heavier (but thinner) braid will help prevent break offs. Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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