Bear with me if this is an obvious one... this is my first rod! I have taped on the guides and done some static adjustments... I like the guide placements with the rod under load. What has me confused is the height of one guide out of whack with the rest. I have YSG 25, 16, 12, 8, LSG 7, 7, 7, tt. When I pull a string from the shaft of the reel to the intersect point, everything is perfectly aligned except the YSG 16, which sits more than 1/4 inch below the string. I first thought they sent the wrong guide or it was manufactured wrong but I don't know what the heights should be.

This is also my first try to link a photo here.

[www.rodbuilding.org]

What do I do now? I feel like there is something really obvious that I missed? Do they even make another guide taller than a YSG?

Thanks a million for any help!!

-keith

Hi Keith,

By looking at your picture it looks like you have two #16 guides? Unless the picture is deceptive. My guess is the guide is the wrong size.

Tom S. Brown

I agree with Tom. What is your guide spacing?? First guide looks a little close. What is rod type/size? Personally, I would try 25 12 10 7777 or 25 10 8 6666 with the 6's or 7's BLAG type (fly guide)

Mike (Southgate, MI)
If I don't want to, I don't have to and nobody can make me (except my wife) cuz I'm RETIRED!!

Looking at the frame I`m fairly sure that the second guide is not a 16.Try moving the second guide a little forward and that should bring it to the bottom of the string.Dont know if you read this but this may help with the set up.[www.rodbuilding.org]

Freddwhy (Rapt-Ryte)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/06/2006 07:29PM by Fred Yarmolowicz.

The angle of the picture makes the 12 and 16 look about the same. If I move the guide to the string, it would be only a couple inches from the next guide. I just took some more measurements and think I may have figured it out. The height of the guide, measured from the rod blank (bottom of foot) to the top of the frame is as follows... 25 - 2", 16 - 1.25", 12 - 1"

Since the guides were packed in a small zip lock bag, with hand written labels, I'm thinking they were picked from loose bins and there must have been a LVSG mixed in. Would I be correct in assuming a LVSG would look just like a YSG only shorter? I'm thinking this is what happened because I also have a YSG 8j and YSG 8Lj that are identical, according to my calipers, from the same shipment. (both in little baggies with hand written ID)

I guess I'll get on the phone in the morning with the supplier and see if I can get these exchanged. What a drag... I was hoping to get to my guides set and wrapped this weekend.

Mike, you asked for measurements, not sure exactly which you need, so here are about all of them!

6'6" blank, butt cap to spool 10", Spool to butt guide 22.5"

TT 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
0" 4.75" 10" 15.5" 21" 27.25" 35.25" 45.5"

Thanks again!!

-Keith

I think you have the right guides. These measurements are from the foot to the inside of the ring farthest from the foot:
YSG25 1-7/8", YSG16 1-1/4", and YSG12 31/32" and they correspond to what you have.

I normally choke the line quicker than you are trying to do . . . a rod I'm wrapping now has (measured from spool lip) YSG25 21-1/2", YSG12 29-1/4", YSG8L 35-3/4" and then 5 LSG7 guides out to the tip (7' rod).

Mike, Do you have a height measurement for a YSG 20?

My concern is that to keep the current guide frames in line with the string, I'll have the 2nd and 3rd guides about 3 inches apart. Since I have already determined that the spacing is good per the static distribution testing, where does that leave me? Does this tell me I should have bought a YSG 20 as my butt guide instead of a 25? The 20 seems too small to begin with, but if it is not to small, and if I used a 20 where the 25 is now, would that leave the 3rd guide (12) being too tall or would that straighten it all out?

I was hoping to start with an "easy" rod and save the challenging ones for when I have some experience! So much for my plan!

Thanks again for the help!!

Keith,
You have good static distribution, but did you get your guide sizes from setting up as per the concept guide system primer in the library? You do the concept test first than you static distribute. That's the only way I see how you ended up with that low guide, is if your doing it backwards.

Hiya, Keith - These first two resources will help you size most Y-frame or Vee-frame Fuji spinning guides, if the frame is not stamped for size. You can check for yourself, to see if you have received in your order the ring size and guide style that you requested from your Supplier. (Some mix-ups in the stock bins or while picking dozens of orders each day are "inevitable", but I can't tell if that concern is involved in your case.) And one day, when your own inventory gets large enough to reach a state of disorder, these Tables may help you re-sort the guides. Get a tip-top gauge for re-sorting those. -CMH+++

FUJI RING HEIGHTS:
[www.fujitackle.com]

FUJI RING OD-ID-Width:
from the drop-down menu link
GENERAL INFORMATION
“RING SIZE CHART”
[www.anglersresource.net]

NOTICE that FUJI:
Y-Frame RING-HT = ~ 2.0 x RING-OD
V-Frame RING-HT = ~ 1.5 x RING-OD

FUJI CATALOG, hard-copy:
from the drop-down menu link
GENERAL INFORMATION
“CATALOG REQUEST”
[www.anglersresource.net]

At the risk of being accused of heresy, for your reference, check out Fuji's layout. When you have determined a better layout by your work, you'll get a sense of confidence that helps with your next spinning rod.
FUJI GUIDE LAYOUT:
from the drop-down menu link
GENERAL INFORMATION
“GUIDE PLACEMENT CHART”
[www.anglersresource.net]

This is the info you want to down-load to your hard-drive. For practical purposes, consider any of the Fuji Y-frame or Vee-frame guides of whatever frame metal (or color) or ceramic ring material to have the same HEIGHT OFF THE BLANK as its analogous counterpart in another series of Fuji guides. The RING OD-ID-Widths will vary slightly with ceramic material for a given ring-flange type, but not much. A "Table of Guide Masses (Weights)" is unknown to me, which is why a nice top-loading scale (+/- 10 mg) is on my Wish List. -Cliff Hall+++

KEITH - RBO "SEARCH" function can often provide fast answers:
Fuji Guides ... Posted by: Richard O'Mara ... Jan. 4, 2006
[www.rodbuilding.org] ... I am looking for a site that has most Fuji rod guides. What I am looking for is rod layouts, plus height of guide specifications. -ROM.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2006 12:10PM by Cliff Hall.

Well, according to the heights listed in Cliff's link, a YSG 20j would be about 8mm taller than a 16j... that would solve my straight line problem.

But would that create another problem of choking the line too much from the #2 guide to the #3 guide... 20j down to a 12j?


Thanks for all the help!

-keith

I very often go from a 25 to a 10 or 12 then to an 8 an spinning rods (even on muskie rods). Don't get too hung up on ring sizes. Go with the smallest guide that will do the job!!

Mike (Southgate, MI)
If I don't want to, I don't have to and nobody can make me (except my wife) cuz I'm RETIRED!!