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Re: Most Sensitive Rod Blank
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: May 29, 2024 05:28PM

Not a story - a practical test. Unless there is some sort of electrical current passing through the line and down the rod, you are left with nothing but leverage, which entails rod length.

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Re: Most Sensitive Rod Blank
Posted by: Lynn Behler (---.44.66.72.res-cmts.leh.ptd.net)
Date: May 29, 2024 06:24PM

Just finished a PB691MLXF, CF split grip, CRB ergonomic seat (shortened, full length arbor),Norm Miller style hook keeper, BC gray alconite, 20H,10H, 6M, 5.5L, 2 KB's, 3 KT's all 5's, more thread and finish than you'll be using if you're trying to stay light. 3.2 oz. I'm not saying this is what you should use, just giving an example. My 6-9 rods seem to come in at twice the weight of the blank. I built a similar rod on this blank for my son in 2019 and it also weighed 3.2oz.

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Re: Most Sensitive Rod Blank
Posted by: David Baylor (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: May 29, 2024 06:34PM

Isaiah....... of course if Torzite guides are lighter than the SIC guides of the same size, the SIC guided rod is going to weigh more. But as I said, the difference in weight between a Torzite and SIC ringed guide in the sizes I quoted above, is minuscule. The difference is less than a 1/10 of a once between the Torzite and SIC guide trains I have on the rods. In fact, the entire guide trains on each rod, including the tip top, don't weigh 1/10 of an ounce.

1/10 of an ounce equals 2.835 grams. The entire Torzite guide train, including tip top. 1.627 grams. The entire SIC guide train, including tip top, 1.883 grams. The difference in weight of the two guide trains, .256 grams.

Same number of guides. 12 guides total, plus the tip top. KW 10, KW 5.5, 3 KBs, 7 KTs. The KBs and KTs in Torzite are 4.5s. The KBs and KTs in SIC, are 5's. Cost of the entire Torzite guide train, including tip top, $141.35. Cost of the entire SIC guide train, including tip top, $115.77. The difference in cost of the two guide trains, including tip tops, $25.58. I know, it's only $25. But like I said, I can't feel any difference at all between the two rods. I just don't see it being cost effective.

Of course with spinning rod guides, the weight savings between Torzite and SIC will be greater. But I'd be surprised if it still amounts to more than 1/10 of an ounce. An entire KR concept spinning rod guide train using T2.s comes in at a little more than 4 grams.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/29/2024 06:35PM by David Baylor.

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Re: Most Sensitive Rod Blank
Posted by: Tom Kirkman (Moderator)
Date: May 29, 2024 07:09PM

Draw a foot of water in your bathtub. Rig up a rod with line and some sort of lure. Drop the lure into the water in the tub. Lower the rod tip so that the line is slack. What do you feel? Nothing. Now have somebody reach into the water and slap the lure, jig, etc. What do you feel? Nothing. And the reason you feel nothing is because sensitivity isn’t about some sort of magical current or “vibration” being transmitted through the line and down the rod to your hand. Such simply doesn’t occur.

Now if you take the slack out and put the system under tension, you can feel a lot of things. That’s because what you’re feeling is actually the lure either pulling against you or resisting your effort to retrieve it. A crankbait or spinnerbait “vibration” felt by the anger is nothing more than the candence of resistance. Whatever is on the end of line pulling or resisting you is working with a second order lever. The longer that lever the greater the pull or resistance against you will be. Sensitivity in terms of what you can physically feel comes down to the leverage the lure, bait, fish, etc., has against you. A longer lever equals a more "sensitive" rod.

Tests with audio or frequency measurements tell us a lot, but neither approximates a real world fishing situation.

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Re: Most Sensitive Rod Blank
Posted by: David Riesenbeck (---)
Date: May 29, 2024 08:43PM

As someone who has an NRX plus, legend xtreme, poison ultima and now am continuing on my journey with NFC and custom rods, I can tell you two things that are fact…

1. They are ALL over priced
2. They are all completely different rods

Sensitivity alone isn’t enough imo. I’m more of a “is it a softer rod or a stiffer rod” kinda fisherman. You are gonna want a stiffer rod if you’re comparing to the NRX.

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Re: Most Sensitive Rod Blank
Posted by: chris c nash (---.atmc.net)
Date: May 29, 2024 11:09PM

Choosing Torzite is not just about weight saving , Torzite is a considerably more slippery ceramic than SIC , it's diameter is larger for the same size ring and it's not near as prone to fracturing if taking a hard blow as SIC is . That being said I don't think the majority of anglers would notice any difference at all between them in real world fishing conditions with the exception perhaps of long surf rods . I do think SIC is the much better buy and a smart choice and don't consider it a downgrade when compared to Torzite .

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Re: Most Sensitive Rod Blank
Posted by: David Baylor (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: May 30, 2024 04:38PM

Chris, agreed on all points. Actually, the difference in ID of a Torzite guide versus Fuji's SIC ringed guides, is the reason I went with 4.5s in Torzite, and 5's in SIC. So far durability with the SICs hasn't been a problem for me. And the slickness of one over the other, as a bass fisherman, doesn't really seem like a consideration. Different story if you're fishing for fish that can pull 40 - 50 yards of line off the spool in a blink of an eye. If I fished for fish like that, it would definitely be a big consideration

Just for consideration ...........If someone is looking for an alternative to the Fuji KL and KT guides with Titanium frames, the American Tackle Ti Forged High Frame guides are pretty darned nice. It may be personal bias, but I think the Fuji guides are a little nicer, but not by much. I have the Am Tack Ti's on a rod I just built on an NFC IS 694 X ray blank. I went with the Pentalite ring option, and if they aren't an exact match in ID per guide size with Torzite ringed Fuji's, they are extremely close. Heck they may even have a slightly larger ID than a Torzite in the same size.

I know I weighed Am Tack Ti's , but I'll be danged if I can find the notes with their weights. I do remember they are ever so slightly heavier than Fuji T2s in the same sizes. Consider that the Ti Forged guide train was almost $40 less expensive than the same set of Fuji T2's, and they are a very attractive alternative. So much so that I will be ordering a set for an MB 733 X ray blank that I have yet to build on.

A few things about the Am Tack Ti's ..... They aren't the exact same heights as Fuji's in the same sizes. So if you plan on just plugging in the numbers the KR software spits out, the Am Tacks won't bullseye like the Fuji guides will. You'll have to adjust the spacing a bit. Which I've learned, isn't really a big deal. Even if you happen to use fluorocarbon line as the main line on your spinning gear.

Also, Am Tack does not offer a guide like a KB. The Ti Forged running guides are along the line of Fuji KT's. And, American Tackle does not offer a titanium tip top, so you'll need to mismatch with an SS tip top. And if saving ever last bit of weight is your top priority, there is a pretty substantial difference in the weight of a titanium tip top, versu an SS tip top. At least in the Fuji line up. That's not to say that an SS tip top weighs a lot. It just weighs a lot compared to the super light weight of say, a Fuji Arowana KG titanium tip top.

But if you're looking to try an IMO, a really nice set of guides at a really good price.... the American Tackle Ti's are well worth consideration

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Re: Most Sensitive Rod Blank
Posted by: Isaiah Bock (---)
Date: May 31, 2024 12:09PM

Interesting...

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Re: Most Sensitive Rod Blank
Posted by: Isaiah Bock (---)
Date: June 03, 2024 12:44PM

David Riesenbeck Wrote:
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> As someone who has an NRX plus, legend xtreme,
> poison ultima and now am continuing on my journey
> with NFC and custom rods, I can tell you two
> things that are fact…
>
> 1. They are ALL over priced
> 2. They are all completely different rods
>
> Sensitivity alone isn’t enough imo. I’m more
> of a “is it a softer rod or a stiffer rod”
> kinda fisherman. You are gonna want a stiffer rod
> if you’re comparing to the NRX.



Why did you buy those rods if they are way overpriced and you can build a better rod yourself?

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